President Trump

Tariffs!!... - Errr, nah, no tariffs. Or less. We'll see.

Chain saw, yeahhhh!!... - Err, nah, "scalpel rather than hatchet" (trump).

My arse, incompetent idiots the full lot.
How will this mess look in half a year? No clue, no plan.
 
moomba said:
It's a legitimate point, although I'd say not being Trump is a better alternative to Trump without anything else to offer.

But the Democrats, or the remaining actual (non Maga) Republicans need to organise, and do much better.
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It pains me to say it but recent events have highlighted just how bigoted much of america remains. The Democrats must play to this and their candidate must be a straight white male, preferably a good 10 years away from retirement age. It's not pretty, it's a backward step, but that's irrelevant in the broader context which is simply beating Trump/Maga out of sight
 
flook said:
It pains me to say it but recent events have highlighted just how bigoted much of america remains. The Democrats must play to this and their candidate must be a straight white male, preferably a good 10 years away from retirement age. It's not pretty, it's a backward step, but that's irrelevant in the broader context which is simply beating Trump/Maga out of sight
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I hate the idea but I agree.
 
moomba said:
The problem with Trumps lies are that they're easier to do when you're in opposition than when you're in power.

Maga morons will believe him no matter what, but when your average swing voters realises his lies have only resulted in bad things for them, the country and the world it will change.

A viable opposition has to be ready, and I'm not sure the Democrats are yet. Dressing in pink and holding up paddles isn't going to win them swing votes and I feel they still need to work out how they're going to approach the next few years.

Sensible republicans are probably a longer term project.
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“It’s the economy, stupid.” That’s how.
 
moomba said:
The economy will tank and people (not maga) will stop believing his lies.

They'll see him for what he is, and that's the opportunity for a viable alternative.
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Or — he will blame the economy Biden handed him — as Bessent is doing this am — all the way down, and everyone will believe him. Or he’ll blame Powell, and everyone will believe him.

It’s hard to have confidence in Americans right now, of any stripe.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
See my comment above. Whatever and whoever the Democrats or non-MAGA Republicans (possibly an oxymoron at this stage) put up, MAGA will lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and MAGA will believe them. So how do you win?
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I'm not sure why you are talking about candidates.
Do you really think he will leave this time ?
 
Blue Mist said:
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I'm not sure why you are talking about candidates.
Do you really think he will leave this time ?
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i do not think he will run. I believe, as I’ve stated, that Musk is a test case for the Special Government Employee. By Congressional charter, they have 130-day terms. I believe Trump will attempt to use his current Congressional majority to extend the SGE term to four years, or life, or whatever. Then if Vance or whomever the GOP nominee is wins, that candidate will appoint Trump the SGE. Obviously, the GOP will attempt to throw tremendous shade on the election results should they lose. I don’t know how successful those efforts will be.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
news.sky.com

How successful has Labour been in tackling migration?

There are signs that action taken by Labour since coming to power is beginning to have an impact on illegal migration.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

give it another 6 months then judge.
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My previous point again though is perceptions. Trump/MAGA have jumped into action on day one aggressively and as a result border encounters and attempted crossings have literally dropped to the lowest in 25 years.

In this example people have got exactly what they voted for almost instantly. Had they voted differently because they disliked Trump then they wouldn't have got what they voted for given the Democrats did not offer a solution. They clearly weren't interested and they had 4 years previously anyway and did nothing.

In the meantime here we're 9 months into a Labour government and more migrants continue to arrive than ever before so I'm sorry but you are being sold a lie.

The Labour government does not really want to tackle this problem, they're not interested. If they were interested then they would do something or literally anything rapidly because they are the government after all! If you're saying to wait 6 months then that's 1/4 of a Parliamentary term to act? It's pathetic.

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mancity2012_eamo said:
How can Americans not see this. I know half the country do, but how can they put up with government being run as theatre.
Everything is played out to the camera.
The script is predictable as it basically involves projecting your own faults and outright corruption onto others.

The whole thing is badly acted, but a lot of America just seem used to bad acting and accept the poor script.

It’s actually nauseating to look from the outside in at the damage being done.
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I'd forgotten what a palava it is with this twat in charge. He needs to be doing something that gets him in the news or on camera every single fucking day. Such a needy ****.
 
inbetween said:
As much as Trump is awful there is still a significant question as to what is the strength of the alternative? Trump is a worry but it's also a worry that the alternative is so incapable of cutting through him.
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In a FAIR fight, the opposition would blow him away.

The problem you have is the incredibly effective foreign influence campaign that Trump and republican lawmakers have actively participated in. The issue now is that the traditional checks and balances are being obliterated. But this hasn't happened overnight.

It's been a slow creep up to this point over many years. If you believe reports, Trump has been 'groomed' for this precise moment since the mid 80's. If you liken it to a barrel heading towards a waterfall, you can now see the edge of the cliff and things are starting to speed up rapidly. Everything is coming into sharp focus.
 
Mr Blue Moon said:
Both times he’s introduced tariffs, their stock market has tanked. This allows his wealthy friends who know what he’s doing to buy up shares at a discounted price, before the market recovers.
They’re not a stupid as we think
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Don't worry. The Inspectors General will root out this obvious corr....

Oh, never mind.

apnews.com

Trump uses mass firing to remove independent inspectors general at a series of agencies

The sweeping action removes oversight of his new administration. Some members of Congress are suggesting it violated federal oversight laws.
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inbetween said:
My previous point again though is perceptions. Trump/MAGA have jumped into action on day one aggressively and as a result border encounters and attempted crossings have literally dropped to the lowest in 25 years.

In this example people have got exactly what they voted for almost instantly. Had they voted differently because they disliked Trump then they wouldn't have got what they voted for given the Democrats did not offer a solution. They clearly weren't interested and they had 4 years previously anyway and did nothing.

In the meantime here we're 9 months into a Labour government and more migrants continue to arrive than ever before so I'm sorry but you are being sold a lie.

The Labour government does not really want to tackle this problem, they're not interested. If they were interested then they would do something or literally anything rapidly because they are the government after all! If you're saying to wait 6 months then that's 1/4 of a Parliamentary term to act? It's pathetic.

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Some people have a hard-on for the migrant issue. We get it. Remarkably, not everyone does. And once again, if someone believes “solving” the problem is more important than electing an obviously unfit man to the Presidency who might have to deal with, you know, about five million other issues, then that person operates under an “ends justify the means” code set which has already proven short-sighted and naive at best.
 
Fairy liquid excepted presumably......
inbetween said:
Well one good example is border encounters and illegal migration. It was an important issue and what was the Harris/Democrat solution to the below graph? If I thought illegal migration was a problem and I had to go on perceptions alone then I'd say Trump was stronger so surely therefore I'd vote for Trump?

It isn't good enough or powerful enough to say that nobody should vote for Trump and so therefore you have to vote Democrat. If I fundamentally dislike gender politics for example then why would I vote for somebody on the polar opposite end of it? To some people on many issues Trump was actually the lesser evil.

We're having the same problem on immigration in the UK. The last government had no idea and the current one doesn't either so they just ignore it. The only party offering some sort of solution is Reform and that's why they're leading the polls. If the status quo remains until the next election (which it probably will) then there is a real possibility that Reform could win power. The same is happening across Europe with the far-right rise and populism.

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What is to stop the UK Gov from setting up a unit in the army which is comprised of the male boat people/truck refugees.
It would be mandatory for them to be conscripted after being processed on arrival.
I am certain that the number of boats heading for these shores would see a considerable drop off as a result of such a policy.
 
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