President Trump

KS55 said:
Yes they did. We don’t have a presidential system but a parliamentary one. Learn the difference.
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The public didn't, he never won a general election, his party did, was it 2 or 3 or 4 pm's we had who weren't elected by the general public? I can't remember.
 
mackenzie said:
Your country is a mess.
Ireland had a gay man of mixed race elected, the UK had an Asian man elected, has had 3 female PMs and now has a black woman as leader of the opposition.
Yet your country obsesses about race, gender etc etc etc.
And yet the States is supposed to be progressive.

Forgive me, but you need to look at yourselves here.
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Why do you blame America instead of specific Americans?

Anyhow I find such commentary ironic on a City board.

Mancunians e.g. think Stoke-on-Trent is a third world city inhabited by six-fingered troglodytes and Liverpool is literally filled only with cardboard-box-living criminals . . . but both are less than an hour away on the fucking train (on a good day).

Tribal rivalries — football-based or no — are FAR more palpable over there than here. That’s one of the things I love about the UK :)
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Why do you blame America instead of specific Americans?

Anyhow I find such commentary ironic on a City board.

Mancunians e.g. think Stoke-on-Trent is a third world city inhabited by six-fingered troglodytes and Liverpool is literally filled only with cardboard-box-living criminals . . . but both are less than an hour away on the fucking train (on a good day).

Tribal rivalries — football-based or no — are FAR more palpable over there than here. That’s one of the things I love about the UK :)
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Thanks for guessing at what I think ;-)
 
moomba said:
An unfortunate situation but on this occasion yes.
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I find that complicit in the whole race thing to be honest.
I don't care what or who a person looks like; the message is the most important thing.
Which is why the Dems lost. Nothing to do with race or gender, they lost to a sodding loon because they went completely up their own arse and were out of touch with the electorate
 
mackenzie said:
I find that complicit in the whole race thing to be honest.
I don't care what or who a person looks like; the message is the most important thing.
Which is why the Dems lost. Nothing to do with race or gender, they lost to a sodding loon because they went completely up their own arse and were out of touch with the electorate
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I don’t think this is true. The GOP successfully blamed Biden and the Democrats for inflation. That’s pretty much it at the end of the day. Everything else is a performative excuse.

That said — as I’ve said a million times — Biden should have announced he was a one-term President as soon as he was elected or (probably better) after the mid-terms and allow the party to refocus the message/messenger. I said it at the time.
 
mackenzie said:
I find that complicit in the whole race thing to be honest.
I don't care what or who a person looks like; the message is the most important thing.
Which is why the Dems lost. Nothing to do with race or gender, they lost to a sodding loon because they went completely up their own arse and were out of touch with the electorate
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The message is important. But if the Democrats go into the next election with a women, or minority they'll lose regardless of the message imo.
 
Dicko69 said:
The public didn't, he never won a general election, his party did, was it 2 or 3 or 4 pm's we had who weren't elected by the general public? I can't remember.
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We have a parliamentary system You should acquaint yourself with it. He was elected by a majority of the public in his constituency. Have you ever considered the implications of voting for a PM?
I’ll mention one for you to be getting along with: what happens if the public vote in as PM a person not from the party which has a majority in the Commons? Where do ministers come from? How do-the PM’s proposals become law? How does the PM enforce the law? And so on…..
The idea of voting for a PM in our system is moronic.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
You're making comparisons based on today's standards.

At the time, she was considered a fucking turbo loon.

As for Obama's victory against Romney/Ryan, that was based of his performance in his first term.
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I'm not sure standards were ever that high. There are a lot of unhinged and inept elected officials in American history.

In 2008 I think Obama was just a stronger candidate with exceptional charisma and a more resonant message. In 2012, any number of factors were in play but the reality is he beat two white guys from central casting at a canter. My overall point is prejudice might make a difference around the margins but it's not the whole story.
 
mackenzie said:
I'm sorry, but I can't believe I just read that. How is a "straight white male" a backwards step if they are the best Democratic nomination??
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you're missing the point, which was pick a straight white male whether they are the best candidate or not
 
mackenzie said:
So are you saying that a woman or someone of colour, who might have a strong message and the best for the job, is to be excluded?
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Nobody is saying that is right, just that it's necessary precisely because of the state of america. There still appears to be, in america, a significant element of the population that is racist, mysogenic and homophobic, sometimes all at once. This element is being empowered by shitgibbon and his coterie of clowns.

Put simply, that element would probably vote Putin for president before they would elect, as an example, a black woman.

Sometimes, you have to take a step back to go forward
 
flook said:
Nobody is saying that is right, just that it's necessary precisely because of the state of america. There still appears to be, in america, a significant element of the population that is racist, mysogenic and homophobic, sometimes all at once. This element is being empowered by shitgibbon and his coterie of clowns.
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These people exist everywhere. Obviously the UK, as one example, had significant rioting a few months ago motivated in part by racial prejudice. In the same way you wouldn't say a UK party shouldn't run nonwhite candidates to appease them, it doesn't make sense to suggest a far more diverse country like the US, which has any number of nonwhite men and women in power, should only run white men.
 
I'll respectfully disagree with those who replied to my posts; I wholeheartedly believe that if the message is the right one, that taps into the electorate, then that person will win. Regardless of gender or race.
 
WT86 said:
These people exist everywhere. Obviously the UK, as one example, had significant rioting a few months ago motivated in part by racial prejudice. In the same way you wouldn't say a UK party shouldn't run nonwhite candidates to appease them, it doesn't make sense to suggest a far more diverse country like the US, which has any number of nonwhite men and women in power, should only run white men.
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I think america is in a dire situation, I think bigotry is being used as a tool by MAGA. By running a straight white male that tool is taken away. I know it's not the right thing to do, and I was hesitant about suggesting it. As I said before, sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward.

With regards the UK, we do have a problem with bigotry. I don't believe it's as bad as in america, yet. I do believe however that Shitgibbons "politics", as well as empowering the american bigotry, is doing the same here. To me, that just reinforces the point I was making.

It's a bit strange that people are jumping on this non-violent opposition to shit gibbon, but no one seems to object to the many posts calling for him to be slotted/do an Elvis or otherwise "buy the farm". An outcome I'm equally happy with by the way
 
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