President Trump

FogBlueInSanFran said:
Your second and last paragraphs are bullshit.

Total bullshit.
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I don't think so. Look what happened last time. That has never been seen before in America, people storming the Capitol building with others hiding in fear of their lives.
Trump lied to them and said the election has been rigged.

No way is he going quietly. I'm not sure he will even allow elections. His hero Putin didn't.
 
Blue Mist said:
I don't think so. Look what happened last time. That has never been seen before in America, people storming the Capitol building with others hiding in fear of their lives.
Trump lied to them and said the election has been rigged.

No way is he going quietly. I'm not sure he will even allow elections. His hero Putin didn't.
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I meant his assertions that the “vast majority of the populace see immigration as a major issue” (zero proof of this), that Biden did “absolutely nothing” (he’s already been told multiple times about the Democratic bill the GOP killed), and that Democrats called opponents fascists and racists for ten years (massive, stupid generaliz(s)ation).

I dislike bullshit.
 
Blue Mist said:
I don't think so. Look what happened last time. That has never been seen before in America, people storming the Capitol building with others hiding in fear of their lives.
Trump lied to them and said the election has been rigged.

No way is he going quietly. I'm not sure he will even allow elections. His hero Putin didn't.
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The only way out is death by age, illness or something else.

Even then it'll be very difficult to break through all the shit he's producing and for the sane world to gain any confidence in America again.

Sick of seeing him sit at a desk signing orders day in day out.

I aways thought apart from the odd thing in the first few days of office all that stuff needs to go through congress & senators? Not that they'd veto anything but at least it'd slow down the shock & awe actions that he seems intent on doing.
 
The massive question is - given little Ukraine has , with Western help, fucking stood the Mighty Russia - supposedly the 2nd most powerful Army in the world then sent Nth Korean armies packing why is Trump doing what he is. If he wants accolades he could neuter Putin and simply end Nth Korea yet he is doing what he is doing. He is either mentally challenged, in the thrall of people who are mentally challenged or is a Russian asset or in the thrall of Russian assets. He is in a position that George Bush, George W Bush and even Obama that would have loved - kill off the Cold War but its not happening
 
bluethrunthru said:
The massive question is - given little Ukraine has , with Western help, fucking stood the Mighty Russia - supposedly the 2nd most powerful Army in the world then sent Nth Korean armies packing why is Trump doing what he is. If he wants accolades he could neuter Putin and simply end Nth Korea yet he is doing what he is doing. He is either mentally challenged, in the thrall of people who are mentally challenged or is a Russian asset or in the thrall of Russian assets. He is in a position that George Bush, George W Bush and even Obama that would have loved - kill off the Cold War but its not happening
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The Cold War had already ended in 1991, hadn't it? The Russian Federation killed the Soviet Union, fantasizing about joining the Western family or free world. But when the party was over, it found itself to be the defeated nation of the Cold War after all.
 
It appears that his plan is quite clear: America will impose tariffs on non-allied nations, such as the BRICS, while demanding that allied nations—namely Europe, Japan, South Korea, and others—allow their currencies to appreciate. The aim is to revitalize domestic manufacturing within the USA. In Trump's mind, if you don't have manufacturing, you don't possess real power. The old international order is hollowing out America, which now produces almost nothing. This is the only thing Trump truly cares about.

Now, the countries that should be most concerned are Germany and Italy, as their industrial enterprises might soon grow wings and fly off to the North American continent.
 
inbetween said:
Are you saying that it's fascist to try to stop hundreds of thousands of people from entering a country illegally?

I don't like Trump but he had a solution and well the evidence has proven that it has been extremely effective given border encounters and crossings are the lowest in 20+ years. Had people instead voted Democrat then there would probably be tens/hundreds of thousands of people pouring over the border like they were before?

I honestly don't see really the problem with it at all? I don't see how it's fascist and if it is then every single country in the world is fascist for the simple evil of having a border and enforcing it.
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Border encounters were already well down on the previous year, and the bill to improve things further was blocked by the Republicans so that it would still be an election issue.

Whilst it’s true that Trump has reduced it further, it’s an odd way to do it. He’s made the US look like an authoritarian hellhole to outsiders which presumably has acted as a deterrent. The problem is that everyone in the US is left living in an authoritarian hellhole. Still, it’s what the majority wanted.
 
As for the idea of a European army, it is highly dubious. Macron and von der Leyen, in any case, do not seem to possess the resolve necessary to stand up to the United States. This project appears more like Macron has raised funds and is now telling the Americans, "Give me some benefits, and I can hand this money over to you." The leaders of these European nations have deeply entrenched relationships with the United States. They may say the right things in public, but behind the scenes, it's a different story altogether.
 
west didsblue said:
Nope. It’s on the people who voted for the criminal, not on those that stood against him. It’s like blaming a rape victim for having a short skirt.
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It is precisely that.

You had a choice between a normal, run-of-the-mill, quite experienced politician and a serial liar, a fairly weak President who kowtowed to America’s enemies and who — last time out — denied the outcome of the democratic process.

But it’s the Democrats’ fault.

What amazes me is the justifications people I know who voted for him are still providing for their support. They are increasingly looney and illogical, and they already started off that way in their defence of him. And these are otherwise successful, normal, nice people.

In the end, I’ve just disengaged with them and let the blowback hit them. I’m still not sure they all aren’t the dog on fire in the “This is fine” meme. But at this point, why argue? I have no idea how bad it will have to get to convince them they made a mistake, and more importantly to try to rectify it.

As I said before, my strategy is simply duck and cover.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
It is precisely that.

You had a choice between a normal, run-of-the-mill, quite experienced politician and a serial liar, a fairly weak President who kowtowed to America’s enemies and who — last time out — denied the outcome of the democratic process.

But it’s the Democrats’ fault.

What amazes me is the justifications people I know who voted for him are still providing for their support. They are increasingly looney and illogical, and they already started off that way in their defence of him. And these are otherwise successful, normal, nice people.

In the end, I’ve just disengaged with them and let the blowback hit them. I’m still not sure they all aren’t the dog on fire in the “This is fine” meme. But at this point, why argue? I have no idea how bad it will have to get to convince them they made a mistake, and more importantly to try to rectify it.

As I said before, my strategy is simply duck and cover.
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I find it sad that you post the way you do. You consider your Trump supporting friends, as you say "
otherwise successful, normal, nice people" but now "they are increasingly looney and illogical"

Have you ever considered they might look at you and come to the same conclusion.
 
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mancity2012_eamo said:
How can Americans not see this. I know half the country do, but how can they put up with government being run as theatre.
Everything is played out to the camera.
The script is predictable as it basically involves projecting your own faults and outright corruption onto others.

The whole thing is badly acted, but a lot of America just seem used to bad acting and accept the poor script.

It’s actually nauseating to look from the outside in at the damage being done.
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
It is precisely that.

You had a choice between a normal, run-of-the-mill, quite experienced politician and a serial liar, a fairly weak President who kowtowed to America’s enemies and who — last time out — denied the outcome of the democratic process.

But it’s the Democrats’ fault.

What amazes me is the justifications people I know who voted for him are still providing for their support. They are increasingly looney and illogical, and they already started off that way in their defence of him. And these are otherwise successful, normal, nice people.

In the end, I’ve just disengaged with them and let the blowback hit them. I’m still not sure they all aren’t the dog on fire in the “This is fine” meme. But at this point, why argue? I have no idea how bad it will have to get to convince them they made a mistake, and more importantly to try to rectify it.

As I said before, my strategy is simply duck and cover.
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I think you are absolutely right Foggy.

I meet a group of friends for a coffee fortnightly, one of them thinks opposite to me on everything. We have agreed to stop talking about things we argue about. We’re never going to change each others views so what the point.
 
blueparrot said:
Yes they are. but the people in America probably don't really understand how angry people across Europe are with Trump and don't understand how America could elect him. They don't really stop and think about the maths of what percentage of Americans voted him in and they look for ways to stop buying American or 'punish' America.
Of course most will try and do that in a way that doesn't inconvenience or hurt their pockets too much. hence something like Amazon probably won't notice much impact.
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I’m not sure the Americans you seem to care about worry too much about Europe or what Europeans think about anything.
 
inbetween said:
If the vast majority of the American population see immigration as a major issue and here is a guy offering to sort it out on day one then why on earth would you not vote for him? Remember this is after 4 years of one party doing absolutely nothing about that issue. Harris wasn't campaigning to sort illegal migration from day one was she? Biden could have acted on day one of his presidency but he didn't.
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Manufactured bullshit repeated for effect. Completely performative and anti-American.
 
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