Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

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wolviedinho said:
I agree.

It’s been an absolute privilege watching some of his teams perform to such a high level. However, for myself personally it was how he stood up for the club during the charges onslaught.

We all love pep but you can see this year has been a real struggle.The team is playing to a very low level. The fans expected him to use his genius/madness to fix the issues and he has not. The players churn out the same bland performances each week now and only speak about how they must do better. It ain’t a good sign.

The journey has been unbelievable but happy endings very rarely happen. The sustained success was never going to carry on indefinitely. Pep has never stayed at a club this long so uncharted waters for him.

So what do we do? The obvious answer is to back pep and clear out the players or alternatively change the coach. I would prefer the former and let him decide if he can do it again. The pressure to play the legends is obvious. A clear out will take that weight away hopefully. I think pep has earned the right to decide his departure date. Only he will know if it’s possible to rebuild again or if his time has come.

One thing this season has shown is the worry after he leaves and the inevitable decline in performances! What we have seen this season is that it can happen with pep in charge. So that fear has been eased in my mind.

Long reply -:)

Peps outstanding legacy is intact.

However this season is awful.
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Pep is a legend and will down as our greatest and that is not up for debate as this entire forum will agree but we also have to acknowledge his failings this season aswell and that is not integrating the younger players like o Reilly when players like silva kova and gundo and even kdb have failed to deliver and the only reason Walker doesn’t play is because he took it out of pep’s hands . I don’t care about one bad season and not winning anything as long as we use it to blood the younger hungry players and that is not happening . Pep is signed in for 2 seasons and that is not gonna be enough for a rebuild .
 
Get rid of a fair few in the summer (we will retain some though to give experience to the team), bring in younger players with ability. Then Pep to tweak the system, get us playing faster through to the final third thus stopping the opposition to get men behind the ball, and get the press back to 100%

Thats what we are aiming for starting from next season. Pep will rebuild this team to attack at pace, and what we will see then is Haaland flourish in a system that is built for him, breaking more goal records
 
I am a big fan of podcasts and sometimes my guilty pleasure is to listen to Chelsea and Spurs podcast to enjoy their despair and to see how the other half lives.

The recent podcast regarding Ange and their lost in Europa all the issues they were raising has applied to us this season-

  1. The players have forgotten to play Ange ball
  2. Some of the players are over worked
  3. Why do he insist on playing the same players again and again
  4. Why is the attack so isolated
  5. Why is the midfield so porous
  6. Is the manager losing the team confidence
This is a very unfamiliar territory for this team and club in our recent history and the spurs familiarity has really scarred me :D

Are we the Spurs! :P
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
Get rid of a fair few in the summer (we will retain some though to give experience to the team), bring in younger players with ability. Then Pep to tweak the system, get us playing faster through to the final third thus stopping the opposition to get men behind the ball, and get the press back to 100%

Thats what we are aiming for starting from next season. Pep will rebuild this team to attack at pace, and what we will see then is Haaland flourish in a system that is built for him, breaking more goal records
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Don't see Pep suddenly binning his philosophy. Far more likely he just replaces Gundo, Bernardo and Kev with technical players.
 
N1985 said:
18 trophies the mad bastard has won, 18!

If he wants to keep doing things his way then I'm all for it and if it all fails, it fucking fails. The man is the biggest legend this club has and will ever produce. No other manager will ever come close to him.

The disrespect shown to him over the last 6 months has been nothing short of disgusting
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Damanino said:
why he is going at great length setting a context for explaining that failing a CL pace is not that bad, and quite ok given how others failed in the past and how big achievement is it to reach top4. I think it is if you are Bournemouth or Fulham but not for Bayern, City, Real...
cant see this happening at Real Madrid that Ancelotti would be at risk of CL places in La Liga and saying its ok once in a while to be out of it given how long streak Real had always be in CL.

why is he keep saying how great rivals we have for CL places. its the Villa, Newcastle, Brighton, Bournemouth, Forest and an underperforming Chelsea are the teams that will get CL places if we dont. why we act that these squads are so great that we have to put up our hands. hardly any of these were within 20-30 points to us in recent years.

lot of things wrong with the mentality of the side this season, collectively and individual level too, but Pep keeps setting the expectations that failure is OK, like we have 1% chance vs Real Madrid, not reaching CL places is not a huge thing, could he be more negative if he tried?

Pep sadly looks just as tired mentally and tactically right now as the legs of KDB and Gundogan on the pitch.
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He’s simply removing the PUBLIC pressure from the players and the club and not stoking the flames of “Look how poorly they’re doing!”

However, internally, I’m sure he’s stressing how important it is to the players who are used to CL football, and the ones who came here for perennial CL football, to win some games and secure a CL spot for next season. After all, it’s what pays the bills around here these days!
 
N1985 said:
18 trophies the mad bastard has won, 18!

If he wants to keep doing things his way then I'm all for it and if it all fails, it fucking fails. The man is the biggest legend this club has and will ever produce. No other manager will ever come close to him.

The disrespect shown to him over the last 6 months has been nothing short of disgusting
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Absolutely bang on the money. Don't care what he does/doesn't achieve in the next 18 months, there is no other manager out there I'd rather have. He is the man who brought us the European cup ffs. People seem to almost forget just how hard it is to win the thing. When you think clubs the size of Arsenal and Atletico Madrid have never won it and Juventus only have one more than us makes me realize just how special it really is.
 
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Blue tiger said:
Absolutely bang on the money. Don't care wait he does, doesn't achieve in the next 18 months, there is no other manager out there I'd rather have. He is the man who brought us the European cup ffs. People seem to almost fact just how hard it is to win the thing. When you think clubs the size of Arsenal and Atletico Madrid have never won it and Juventus only have one more than us makes me realize just how special it really is.
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And we should have won it twice!
 
With a new North Stand and 61000 seats to fill we simply HAVE to make the Champions’ League. We’ve got a piss easy run in so I’m confident.
 
I predict Pep will sign off with a league title , if that's to be next year or the year after remains to be seen but genuinely believe the next one will be his last whichever season it is .
 
Don’t think I’ve seen enough talking about the implications if top 4 isn’t achieved. Wonder what that does to summer signings and how much $ is missed next season as a result if it happens
 
ChicagoBlue said:
He’s simply removing the PUBLIC pressure from the players and the club and not stoking the flames of “Look how poorly they’re doing!”

However, internally, I’m sure he’s stressing how important it is to the players who are used to CL football, and the ones who came here for perennial CL football, to win some games and secure a CL spot for next season. After all, it’s what pays the bills around here these days!
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There’s always going to be that pressure though given what pep has achieved, the type of club we have developed into and the money that’s been invested in the squad.

Let’s have it right, we have no devine right to finish top every year but no matter how bad the season, the minimum targets under any manager at city should be to finish in the top 4 to play champions league football.

Of course we can still achieve that but the fact he’s even talking about not doing that is worrying and has to have some effect on mentality within the club. Failure to qualify will have a big knock on effect going forward.
 
lol yank said:
Don’t think I’ve seen enough talking about the implications if top 4 isn’t achieved. Wonder what that does to summer signings and how much $ is missed next season as a result if it happens
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Not qualifying for CL next year would be a massive failure for me, but the money we've not spent recently and the money we'd still get from Europa should still be enough to get some business done in the summer to push for the title again next season.
 
robbieh said:
If Pep were in charge of Forest he'd set them up like prime Barca and they'd be languishing in the bottom half.
If he were in charge of Arsenal they'd be nearer Liverpool than they are.
This is the Pep conundrum.
Can't manage average players. Great with good ones. In fact the best.
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I think you captured it just right. What he is trying to get us to do, requires a level of technique slightly above what we currently possess. And we are looking worse for it.
 
The only drawbacks for failing to get into the Champions League next season are 1) no elite player would normally want to join a team not in the Champions League unless they would love to play for Pep and 2) a little thing called money. In any case the sword of 115 or 130 if you read the Daily Mail is probably not going to be fully resolved for some time, whatever the verdict of the hearings. It is going to be a bit different for a couple of years or so but I am sure City will be in a better position than Tottenham, Chelsea, Man U and Newcastle over the next five years, simply because they are a well-run club. I know a lot moan about ticketing but our ticket revenues are well behind other World class clubs, that is not the issue. The point is City are building a 364 day attraction which will help buy better players and keep ticket prices down, at least relative to Arsenal for example.

This may be an unpopular post for some, but Bournemouth’s 11k stadium capacity means their season ticket prices aren’t far behind City’s, and there is a huge waiting list. I don’t have any love for the football team but some of my grandkids do, and I want them to enjoy top level football first hand.

Basically, if City miss out on qualification, even if it means Pep resigning and one or two elite players may want out, City will bounce back because they cannot afford not to. It might not be a bad idea to give loyal fans preferential rates though.
 
Among our chief competitors in the league this season are the likes of Forest, Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton. Collectively they almost certainly cost less than our squad. Individually, each is fitter, hungrier and better organised than us.

That is our current yardstick and reality, not previous glories.
 
We will make the Champions League, our run in is kind. We have the best coach and the best striker in the world.

68 points got top 4 last year and this season the tally won't be that high, plus you can finish 5th.

If it is 68 points we can afford to lose 3 more games.

- Chelsea have a terrible run in

- Villa ship goals in for fun (they have the 6th worst defence in the league) and have only beaten a team by more than 1 goal 3 times in the league this year. Their games are always tight.

- Bournemouth don't have the experience to get over the line, yesterday showed that. They still have us and Arsenal away.

Forest are probably the outsider that look set to get top 5, but again, like Bournemouth, it will be those tight, nervy games against the lower half teams that could be their undoing. Look at Villa in their last 10 games last season. Only won 3 if I recall.

Brighton maybe, but I think experience will be their undoing. They don't score enough to offset their defensive issues and with that don't have like what Forest have to bail them out this season. A Chris Wood.

Newcastle will just fall short. Like Chelsea, they have a tough run in.
 
sir baconface said:
Among our chief competitors in the league this season are the likes of Forest, Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton. Collectively they almost certainly cost less than our squad. Individually, each is fitter, hungrier and better organised than us.

That is our current yardstick and reality, not previous glories.
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Them being fitter (because our boys have been balls-deep in every competition going for a decade) and hungrier (because those teams have won fuck all) is no great surprise. Better organized, though, is a fair stick to beat Pep with this season
 
never imagined after 4 in a row we gonna sweat for being in CL places. our squad building errors and us falling asleep and being comfortable maybe taking the eyes off of it due to 115 case and all the legal troubles and blind loyalty to some veterans.
 
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