31 | Ederson - 2024/25

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RayCTID said:
A fair amount and recentely he saved us getting completely humilated vs Real Madrid
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Now sticking up for him is fine, he's been a big part of things over the years, but that's just nonsense.

He cost us the first match and made some standard saves in both legs. No saves that any other half-decent keeper wouldn't have made.
 
He was a must have when he arrived, as he created that extra man in defence that helped us play out the back.

However, it is very rare now that the opposition will just rush in to try and close him down. It doesnt happen as much as it used to as other teams tactics have adapted.

So that leaves us with his basic goalkeeping skills, and like many have said he isnt that great a shot stopper.

I reckon we will change tact with our GK going foward, bringing in one that is a great shot stopper and not having to be as good with the ball at their feet.
 
Xhavenjoe said:
What will that prove.
A goalkeeper's first responsibility is to keep the ball out of the net.
That hasn't changed since 1985.
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Proves nothing but shows why the emphasis has evolved from traditional goalkeeping to a requirement to be able to play with their feet.

If you can’t see how influential Ederson’s attributes are on City’s success then you haven’t been watching very closely.
 
Feed the Elk said:
Proves nothing but shows why the emphasis has evolved from traditional goalkeeping to a requirement to be able to play with their feet.

If you can’t see how influential Ederson’s attributes are on City’s success then you haven’t been watching very closely.
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I've been watching football for quite a while and am quite aware of how influential the likes of Neuer and Ederson have been.
That doesn't mean I can't appreciate the likes of Courtois who is not particularly good with his feet.
In the context of Ederson possibly leaving, I would prefer a keeper who is a great shot stopper and confident under high balls.
Being as good with their feet á la Ederson would be a great asset but not at the expense of shot stopping and dealing with crosses.
 
Xhavenjoe said:
I've been watching football for quite a while and am quite aware of how influential the likes of Neuer and Ederson have been.
That doesn't mean I can't appreciate the likes of Courtois who is not particularly good with his feet.
In the context of Ederson possibly leaving, I would prefer a keeper who is a great shot stopper and confident under high balls.
Being as good with their feet á la Ederson would be a great asset but not at the expense of shot stopping and dealing with crosses.
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That’s all well and good but the likelihood is that we would have to change the way we play or risk another Claudio Bravo situation where the whole stadium got the collywobbles every time we tried to play out using the keeper.

I’d rather watch what we have now and take the odd conceded goal than what we had then. Also, what you’re not recognising is the lack of consistency in front of Ederson, a lot of which stems from the injury to Rodri.
All the injury induced change across the back four has caused Immeasurable uncertainty which has no doubt lead to a lot of the shots that Ederson has faced
 
Feed the Elk said:
That’s all well and good but the likelihood is that we would have to change the way we play or risk another Claudio Bravo situation where the whole stadium got the collywobbles every time we tried to play out using the keeper.

I’d rather watch what we have now and take the odd conceded goal than what we had then. Also, what you’re not recognising is the lack of consistency in front of Ederson, a lot of which stems from the injury to Rodri.
All the injury induced change across the back four has caused Immeasurable uncertainty which has no doubt lead to a lot of the shots that Ederson has faced
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I'm wanting a more dominant keeper, more capable as a shot stopper too.

You say it may change the way we play - well, I think that is possibly both true and needed at the moment. The game evolves and teams don't set up the way they did against us even just 2 or 3 years ago. Plus, when we talk about keepers who are 'poor' with their feet - there's hardly any these days, certainly not young keepers in the age range we'd probably want to look at.

Ederson has helped the game develop, but the game has kind of caught up. I'm not saying any new keeper wouldn't make mistakes, but I think the time is right and that it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
 
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Feed the Elk said:
That’s all well and good but the likelihood is that we would have to change the way we play or risk another Claudio Bravo situation where the whole stadium got the collywobbles every time we tried to play out using the keeper.

I’d rather watch what we have now and take the odd conceded goal than what we had then. Also, what you’re not recognising is the lack of consistency in front of Ederson, a lot of which stems from the injury to Rodri.
All the injury induced change across the back four has caused Immeasurable uncertainty which has no doubt lead to a lot of the shots that Ederson has faced
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The odd conceded goal?

Prior to Rodri his shots to saves ratio wasn't great. I don't doubt we are probably conceding more chances now but how often does the first shot on target go in, that isn't new this season. He has looked iffy all season, not seen him smile once and I genuinely think he hasn't been that arsed after not getting his move. He has been class for us, I can understand a lack of motivation potentially. He has won the lot. This season though his mistakes have outweighed what he gives us with the ball at his feet. Greatly outweighed it.
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
He was a must have when he arrived, as he created that extra man in defence that helped us play out the back.

However, it is very rare now that the opposition will just rush in to try and close him down. It doesnt happen as much as it used to as other teams tactics have adapted.

So that leaves us with his basic goalkeeping skills, and like many have said he isnt that great a shot stopper.

I reckon we will change tact with our GK going foward, bringing in one that is a great shot stopper and not having to be as good with the ball at their feet.
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Never a great shot stopper, nor anything close, but you’ve overlooked his distribution skills which, on their day, can be amazing.
 
sir baconface said:
Never a great shot stopper, nor anything close, but you’ve overlooked his distribution skills which, on their day, can be amazing.
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not overlooked, we all know about his distribution skills. Just my opinion that the new GK (if Eddy does indeed leave) wont have to be as good with the ball at their feet
 
Feed the Elk said:
That’s all well and good but the likelihood is that we would have to change the way we play or risk another Claudio Bravo situation where the whole stadium got the collywobbles every time we tried to play out using the keeper.

I’d rather watch what we have now and take the odd conceded goal than what we had then. Also, what you’re not recognising is the lack of consistency in front of Ederson, a lot of which stems from the injury to Rodri.
All the injury induced change across the back four has caused Immeasurable uncertainty which has no doubt lead to a lot of the shots that Ederson has faced
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Would that be such a terrible thing to consider? Our current way of playing clearly hasn't worked this season. Other teams have wised up to us now. Our build up play is achingly slow, and we're easy to play through in the centre of the pitch. Pep needs to adapt.
 
Just doesn’t look happy. Maybe his time is up here.

Be a shame if he does go. His kicking ability can not be underestimated in this league.
 
jimharri said:
Would that be such a terrible thing to consider? Our current way of playing clearly hasn't worked this season. Other teams have wised up to us now. Our build up play is achingly slow, and we're easy to play through in the centre of the pitch. Pep needs to adapt.
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Has nothing to do with our way of playing which last year won the league, nor other teams so called wising up, they worked out how we play years ago. and everything to do with a midfield that can’t play our way with the energy required anymore. Pep is permanently adapting how he plays though based on the same basic principals that will continue. The keeper is key to all that and will continue to be.
 
blueparrot said:
Has nothing to do with our way of playing which last year won the league, nor other teams so called wising up, they worked out how we play years ago. and everything to do with a midfield that can’t play our way with the energy required anymore. Pep is permanently adapting how he plays though based on the same basic principals that will continue. The keeper is key to all that and will continue to be.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I'm not going to argue all night about it.
 
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