Andy Burnham | Manchester Mayor

[cheekybids]

Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham reiterated that the club’s new home would receive zero public funding while Manchester United COO Collette Roche told Place North West she is sure the club can find the money to finance the 100,000-capacity project without state backing.

Speaking in front of a packed room on the UK Stage at MIPIM, Burnham was at pains to state his firm stance that the stadium itself would not get public backing.

“It is for Manchester United to fund their new home,” he said.

“There will be no public money, and that will not change in the duration of this project. And I do want that message to be heard loud and clear today.”

While the stadium building will be left to Manchester United to pay for, Burnham insinuated public money could be spent to help with securing the required land.

“That is where the public money is more likely to be spent,” he said

Burnham is leading the charge to assemble this part of the site by relocating the terminal to IPL North in Liverpool City Region – a £200m to £300m project, he said.

MIPIM | Leaders confident of securing land, funding for £2bn Old Trafford - Place North West

Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham reiterated that the club’s new home would receive zero public funding while Manchester United COO Collette Roche told Place North West she is sure the club can find the money to finance the 100,000-capacity project without state backing.

www.placenorthwest.co.uk

When I built my house I had to buy the land first & it worked about 50% of the cost. Why do they only think the build doesn’t include the land.

 

[west didsblue]

Burnham has to play the game and be publicly supportive of this but the finances simply don’t add up. Absolutely no fucking chance this gets built in the next 20 years. The government has had its fingers burnt far too often on vanity projects like the Olympic Stadium for it to commit billions in spending on infrastructure in the surrounding area.

Our stadium was built and was a catalyst for the regeneration of East Manchester not the other way around. The same would happen in West Manchester if the stadium was built first, but that’s never going to happen because scruffy Jim wants the regeneration first with no guarantees that the stadium will be built financed by a highly indebted private company based in the Cayman Islands.

All this will do is give United the excuse not to do urgent expensive maintenance on Old Trafford.

 

[Whether or not]

To be clear, I would like to see the rags stuck in their leaky dump of a stadium forever. But, taking the rag factor out of it, the proposed rail freight terminal outside the city will be a very good thing. There isn’t enough capacity at Piccadilly or Oxford Road, and putting in extra platforms would be a staggering cost with many years of huge disruption in the city centre. So, teeth gritted, I am trying to look at this the other way round, not the rags being subsidised by the city, but the city benefitting from them building a new stadium.

 

[Nick L]

When I hear the name Andy Burnham , I see red flashing lights , pure and simple !!

 

[bluekeith]

The railway sidings are going to need some amount of decontaminats with all the diesel and oil , but the swamp will probably cost even more with the amount of shit that has been played on the pitch

 

[Gone for a Burton]

We are being sold the pup that this vanity project for the rags can ONLY proceed if the rags move from the swamp into a new tax payers subsidised stadium with beneficial infrastructure.

It's complete bollocks & wholly untrue/misleading.

The 'regeneration' can proceed with minimal 'work arounds' if yewnytid remain where they are.

They only want to move to be given the benefits of all the non stadium related infrastructure development that the government & tax payer will pay for.

Questions -:

1) Who pays for the rail freight land.

2) Who pays for the land the circus will allegedly be built on.

3) Who pays for the land that the infrastructure,(trams, trains, roads, public realm) that will directly benefit yewnytid, will be built on.

4) Who gets all the land + car parks, that the swamp is built on.

5) Who is questioning the 'vested & conflict of interest' Gargoyle 1 has as as local property/hotel owner.

Fact is....if scruffyrat spent £50 million 'immediately' on the swamp along with an ongoing annual r&r programme, rag land would be fit for purpose.

However.....that would require him to spend his/their money which is an alien concept.

Where the rubber meets the road, the regeneration DOESN'T NEED YEWNYTID but yewnytid need the regeneration.

It's a charade & cunning stunt by a greedy,polluting,tax evading,tax grabbing, chav fan !!

 

[Blue Mist]

The Tories were going to electrify the rail line running from Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds. It would stop 'dirty' diesel being used, save time and stop overcrowding on trains. As usual with politicians it sounded great but they had no money.
IF this government now has money it should be spent on this project not some pipe dream for billionaires to get richer.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

The Tories were going to electrify the rail line running from Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds. It would stop 'dirty' diesel being used, save time and stop overcrowding on trains. As usual with politicians it sounded great but they had no money.
IF this government now has money it should be spent on this project not some pipe dream for billionaires to get richer.

115 % ....and more !!

 

[jockblue]

To be clear, I would like to see the rags stuck in their leaky dump of a stadium forever. But, taking the rag factor out of it, the proposed rail freight terminal outside the city will be a very good thing. There isn’t enough capacity at Piccadilly or Oxford Road, and putting in extra platforms would be a staggering cost with many years of huge disruption in the city centre. So, teeth gritted, I am trying to look at this the other way round, not the rags being subsidised by the city, but the city benefitting from them building a new stadium.

Agree that moving the rail freight terminal would be a good thing. Interesting that it's only being discussed as part of a wider regeneration/Billy Smart Circus Tent. Most railway projects have to stand or fall on their own merits - eg extending the tram network or the other work Burnham is doing around the Bee Network, so if it's not a viable project to relocate the freight terminal on it's own and in it's own timescale, it shouldn't be considered...

..unless of course, United were going to contribute to the cost of the relocation. And I think we all know the answer to that one....

 

[Gordyola]

Whats really pissing me off about this is the tax payers money. Just because they didn't look after Old Trafford should not mean anyone pays a penny to that privately run company, which survives in debt despite making huge profits. Why haven't the Glazers paid in to maintain the stadium? It's like a child spending all its pocket money on sweets, then when it's toy breaks because they didn't look after it, they demand you buy a new one and scoff when you say, well its your responsibility, why didn't you save some money and look after your toy?

Who's to say they also won't pay anything to maintain this new overly built circus tent stadium? If its getting that massive glass cover, why the fuck are we paying for that? They want a stadium. 4 stands a pitch, go for it.

Absolutely fuming over this. "ohhh but you got a free stadium" NO, not exactly free was it? It'd have been knocked down if we didn't take it. It suited everyone, lucky us, but we had plans to develop Maine Road, probably wouldn't have happened but at least we have plans. We also didn't fully benefit from the Etihad, maybe we do now I don't know but for a long time the council benefitted. The local area sure did too.

There are plenty of posts in this tread that prove we hardly benefited from CoMS due to our financial contributions both for the fitting out and giving the Council Maine Road and then the lease monies paid since which goes to benefit Manchester residents as the money is ring fenced for sports

There maybe no public money going to NOT but its dependent upon the freight terminal being moved to Warrington which will be entirely funded by public funds and result in a loss of jobs in Trafford Im guessing that the land that OT stands on will be given over to the council as a swap deal for housing they also claim that the rags own lots of lands and buildings around the swamp Will be interesting to see who pays for any work required to the Manchester Ship Canal to enable the pre-fabricated stadium parts to be shipped

Old Trafford: new stadium, freight relocated

The UK government has expressed its backing for the redevelopment of the Old Trafford precinct around the Manchester United stadium. There are implications for rail…

www.railfreight.com

Freightliner Manchester - Freightliner Group Limited

Freightliner’s Manchester Terminal is a crucial rail and distribution hub in the North West which handles approximately 20 daily Freightliner services to and from the UK’s deep sea ports.

www.freightliner.co.uk

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

To be clear, I would like to see the rags stuck in their leaky dump of a stadium forever. But, taking the rag factor out of it, the proposed rail freight terminal outside the city will be a very good thing. There isn’t enough capacity at Piccadilly or Oxford Road, and putting in extra platforms would be a staggering cost with many years of huge disruption in the city centre. So, teeth gritted, I am trying to look at this the other way round, not the rags being subsidised by the city, but the city benefitting from them building a new stadium.

Why them building a new stadium is the only thing that will benefit Manchester. I dont see why they are part of it tbh. Regeneration can happen and always happens without a football teams involvement.

I understand Man U impact and value to Manchester and its economy, but this smells of them mixing two projects up to be able fund a football club (that is ultimately of economic value to manchester). I mean the only thing this whole affair needs is for the club to threaten Manchester Council with (having to) move out of manchester, and I bet we see that in the coming years.

 

[Stockton Heath Blue]

Ok you make a fair comment. But if this development happens (and it's a big if) it will create a lot of jobs and support a lot of sub contractors and small businesses. It will support a lot of people on the Trafford side of town. It won't benefit everyone of course but long-term I believe it will help the area. You could equally argue that Trafford already has some of the most affluent areas in Greater Manchester and the money would be better spent in North Manchester.

Yep, I picked my daughter up from the airport the other night and turned off the M56 at Hale to park up and wait. I didn't know Hale was in Trafford borough

 

[cheekybids]

Why them building a new stadium is the only thing that will benefit Manchester. I dont see why they are part of it tbh. Regeneration can happen and always happens without a football teams involvement.

I understand Man U impact and value to Manchester and its economy, but this smells of them mixing two projects up to be able fund a football club (that is ultimately of economic value to manchester). I mean the only thing this whole affair needs is for the club to threaten Manchester Council with (having to) move out of manchester, and I bet we see that in the coming years.

Exactly this.

It’s a promise of votes for £

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Will be interesting to see who pays for any work required to the Manchester Ship Canal to enable the pre-fabricated stadium parts to be shipped

I believe Peel Holdings want to use the ship canal for more traffic into Port Salford but that all seemed about a decade ago when I googled it so don’t know the current situation.

The canal fell out of use largely because it couldn’t accommodate the bigger modern ships, presumably the size of the locks being one of the main problems. I do hope (not) that the planners and architects have checked all this out.

 

[Brooklands Blue]

There are plenty of posts in this tread that prove we hardly benefited from CoMS due to our financial contributions both for the fitting out and giving the Council Maine Road and then the lease monies paid since which goes to benefit Manchester residents as the money is ring fenced for sports

There maybe no public money going to NOT but its dependent upon the freight terminal being moved to Warrington which will be entirely funded by public funds and result in a loss of jobs in Trafford Im guessing that the land that OT stands on will be given over to the council as a swap deal for housing they also claim that the rags own lots of lands and buildings around the swamp Will be interesting to see who pays for any work required to the Manchester Ship Canal to enable the pre-fabricated stadium parts to be shipped

I did a day trip up the ship canal with my elderly parents last year. Train to Liverpool then a Mersey ferry across the river and entered the canal at Eastham.

What struck me is apart from the Eastham to Runcorn section which is has alot of shipping and Salford quays the general condition of the infrastructure is knackered. The lock gates Irlam, Barton and Mode Wheel look ready to disintegrate. The docking facilities just passed Mode Wheel near the oil storage facilities look derelict which is where the nearest point to old Trafford is so for me this whole plan is a charade.

Peel ports own the canal which is partly owned by John Whittaker who like Scruffy Jim is another non dom residing in the Isle of Man.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

There are plenty of posts in this tread that prove we hardly benefited from CoMS due to our financial contributions both for the fitting out and giving the Council Maine Road and then the lease monies paid since which goes to benefit Manchester residents as the money is ring fenced for sports

There maybe no public money going to NOT but its dependent upon the freight terminal being moved to Warrington which will be entirely funded by public funds and result in a loss of jobs in Trafford Im guessing that the land that OT stands on will be given over to the council as a swap deal for housing they also claim that the rags own lots of lands and buildings around the swamp Will be interesting to see who pays for any work required to the Manchester Ship Canal to enable the pre-fabricated stadium parts to be shipped

Old Trafford: new stadium, freight relocated

The UK government has expressed its backing for the redevelopment of the Old Trafford precinct around the Manchester United stadium. There are implications for rail…

www.railfreight.com

Freightliner Manchester - Freightliner Group Limited

Freightliner’s Manchester Terminal is a crucial rail and distribution hub in the North West which handles approximately 20 daily Freightliner services to and from the UK’s deep sea ports.

www.freightliner.co.uk

These are all valid questions that are vital to establishing COMPLETE CLARITY on this stunt, and in debunking the myths,mistruths & obfuscation deliberately in place to mislead the tax paying public.

It would be useful if someone smarter than me for sure, could lift all the valid question being raised on the thread and compile a template of 'Essential Questions & Facts', to be used by other posters so that there is a consistency to all correspondence.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I did a day trip up the ship canal with my elderly parents last year. Train to Liverpool then a Mersey ferry across the river and entered the canal at Eastham.

What struck me is apart from the Eastham to Runcorn section which is has alot of shipping and Salford quays the general condition of the infrastructure is knackered. The lock gates Irlam, Barton and Mode Wheel look ready to disintegrate. The docking facilities just passed Mode Wheel near the oil storage facilities look derelict which is where the nearest point to old Trafford is so for me this whole plan is a charade.

Peel ports own the canal which is partly owned by John Whittaker who like Scruffy Jim is another non dom residing in the Isle of Man.

It’s a good trip that, did it a few years ago. Like you, I feel there’s quite a bit of work to get it up to scratch.

I sort of want this to all happen because it just has the feeling of disaster about it.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

The Tories were going to electrify the rail line running from Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds. It would stop 'dirty' diesel being used, save time and stop overcrowding on trains. As usual with politicians it sounded great but they had no money.
IF this government now has money it should be spent on this project not some pipe dream for billionaires to get richer.

If our Governments stopped spending money on Illegal Immigrants and spurious asylum claimants they'd have enough money to invest in every northern infrastructure and transport project.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

If our Governments stopped spending money on Illegal Immigrants and spurious asylum claimants they'd have enough money to invest in every northern infrastructure and transport project.

Ho much do we spend on illegal immigrants and asylum claims? Are there figures? How does that compare with cost of northern infrastructure? Is what you are saying real?

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Why them building a new stadium is the only thing that will benefit Manchester. I dont see why they are part of it tbh. Regeneration can happen and always happens without a football teams involvement.

I understand Man U impact and value to Manchester and its economy, but this smells of them mixing two projects up to be able fund a football club (that is ultimately of economic value to manchester). I mean the only thing this whole affair needs is for the club to threaten Manchester Council with (having to) move out of manchester, and I bet we see that in the coming years.

They moved out of Manchester in the last century !!