Andy Burnham | Manchester Mayor

The people who did the report are the same people who came up with the "Billion" fans bullshit.
All best case scenarios, and a wing and a prayer.

The last time i was in the area, it looked redeveloped to me already. Or does Media City/Lowry Centre/Tram system not count?

Notwithstanding, any money pouring into an area is a good thing.
Giving a single club a financial advantage is not. The arrogance of United remains strong!
 
jrb said:
He will flip that by saying he is creating more short-term and long-term jobs via the United stadium proposal than the freight terminal has and is creating. Which is the truth. And he keeps on emphasising removing the freight train bottlenecks through the city centre that are causing delays to trains services across Gtr Manchester, the North West, and the North.
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when's the planned train crash to move the project along
 
Citi-leaks said:
Reading through many of the comments on here, it seems that people are getting confused with the redevelopment of Old Trafford the area, and Old Trafford the stadium.

The government are not putting a penny into the building of a new stadium. They are putting in the transport infrastructure to serve 4000 new homes.

Freightliner, the owners of the freight terminal, have been in negotiations to move to a purpose built terminal in St Helens since 2022. With the backing of Manchester and Liverpool City Councils.

The proposed move, which has been confirmed by Freightliner, could offer significant benefits to the modern rail freight and logistics sectors. Not least, the new site, at Parkside East, would, at a stroke, radically reduce the pressure on key infrastructure in Manchester.

It may well relieve the chronic congestion in the notorious ‘Castlefield Corridor’, a two-track section through a heavily urbanised part of central Manchester. The tracks are frequently overloaded with a mixture of freight and passenger traffic.

Purpose built and freeport location​

Speaking to a regional media source, Freightliner confirmed that it had taken an interest in land at Parkside East, with a view to establishing new intermodal facilities there. Freightliner, one of the UK’s largest rail freight operators, is reportedly operating its Old Trafford base at full capacity, moving up to twenty trains a day.

The new site at Parkside East would allow Freightliner to handle many more services. The site’s strategic location, nearby the expanding Liverpool docks, and within a designated freeport, makes the transfer an attractive proposition. Negations could well be centred on the ‘transfer fee’ paid by the football club.

For the logistics sector, the potential relocation offers improved efficiency in goods movement. Parkside East, where Freightliner reportedly is planning over 230,000 square metres of rail terminal space, is well-placed to accommodate future growth in freight volumes, for both domestic and international trade.

The relocation would also open up capacity on the Liverpool-Manchester rail line, currently constrained by freight traffic, allowing for expanded passenger services and easing congestion through Warrington, a choke point on the West Coast Main Line, Europe’s busiest mixed traffic railway.
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Nonsense, the Rags are trying to get access to land they don’t own & can’t afford. The project you have mentioned is not getting the go ahead because it’s not standing up on its own so they piggy backed the Rags moving which also doesn’t stand up on its own.

How about this? The Rags sell their land around the ground to pay for the redevelopment of the Swamp & if the area is so valuable a private investor would jump at it.

The Rags need to understand they don’t have a pot to piss in but they have assets that they can sell, it’s no one else’s problem.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Reading through many of the comments on here, it seems that people are getting confused with the redevelopment of Old Trafford the area, and Old Trafford the stadium.

The government are not putting a penny into the building of a new stadium. They are putting in the transport infrastructure to serve 4000 new homes.

Freightliner, the owners of the freight terminal, have been in negotiations to move to a purpose built terminal in St Helens since 2022. With the backing of Manchester and Liverpool City Councils.

The proposed move, which has been confirmed by Freightliner, could offer significant benefits to the modern rail freight and logistics sectors. Not least, the new site, at Parkside East, would, at a stroke, radically reduce the pressure on key infrastructure in Manchester.

It may well relieve the chronic congestion in the notorious ‘Castlefield Corridor’, a two-track section through a heavily urbanised part of central Manchester. The tracks are frequently overloaded with a mixture of freight and passenger traffic.

Purpose built and freeport location​

Speaking to a regional media source, Freightliner confirmed that it had taken an interest in land at Parkside East, with a view to establishing new intermodal facilities there. Freightliner, one of the UK’s largest rail freight operators, is reportedly operating its Old Trafford base at full capacity, moving up to twenty trains a day.

The new site at Parkside East would allow Freightliner to handle many more services. The site’s strategic location, nearby the expanding Liverpool docks, and within a designated freeport, makes the transfer an attractive proposition. Negations could well be centred on the ‘transfer fee’ paid by the football club.

For the logistics sector, the potential relocation offers improved efficiency in goods movement. Parkside East, where Freightliner reportedly is planning over 230,000 square metres of rail terminal space, is well-placed to accommodate future growth in freight volumes, for both domestic and international trade.

The relocation would also open up capacity on the Liverpool-Manchester rail line, currently constrained by freight traffic, allowing for expanded passenger services and easing congestion through Warrington, a choke point on the West Coast Main Line, Europe’s busiest mixed traffic railway.
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As you seem to be promoting this please answer 2 questions.
When the rail freight yard is moved will that land be bought by the rags or will it be given to them.
Who will pay for the site to be cleaned of all the industrial waste before the rags start building.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Reading through many of the comments on here, it seems that people are getting confused with the redevelopment of Old Trafford the area, and Old Trafford the stadium.

The government are not putting a penny into the building of a new stadium. They are putting in the transport infrastructure to serve 4000 new homes.

Freightliner, the owners of the freight terminal, have been in negotiations to move to a purpose built terminal in St Helens since 2022. With the backing of Manchester and Liverpool City Councils.

The proposed move, which has been confirmed by Freightliner, could offer significant benefits to the modern rail freight and logistics sectors. Not least, the new site, at Parkside East, would, at a stroke, radically reduce the pressure on key infrastructure in Manchester.

It may well relieve the chronic congestion in the notorious ‘Castlefield Corridor’, a two-track section through a heavily urbanised part of central Manchester. The tracks are frequently overloaded with a mixture of freight and passenger traffic.

Purpose built and freeport location​

Speaking to a regional media source, Freightliner confirmed that it had taken an interest in land at Parkside East, with a view to establishing new intermodal facilities there. Freightliner, one of the UK’s largest rail freight operators, is reportedly operating its Old Trafford base at full capacity, moving up to twenty trains a day.

The new site at Parkside East would allow Freightliner to handle many more services. The site’s strategic location, nearby the expanding Liverpool docks, and within a designated freeport, makes the transfer an attractive proposition. Negations could well be centred on the ‘transfer fee’ paid by the football club.

For the logistics sector, the potential relocation offers improved efficiency in goods movement. Parkside East, where Freightliner reportedly is planning over 230,000 square metres of rail terminal space, is well-placed to accommodate future growth in freight volumes, for both domestic and international trade.

The relocation would also open up capacity on the Liverpool-Manchester rail line, currently constrained by freight traffic, allowing for expanded passenger services and easing congestion through Warrington, a choke point on the West Coast Main Line, Europe’s busiest mixed traffic railway.
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The bit you have missed, is that the benefits around moving the freight have been determined by an 'Analyst!'. There has been no, independent panel of experts selected to undertake the root cause analysis, or substantiate the facts around why putting £300m of tax payer money to move it, will actually benefit the City as a whole. Its brown envelopes that will talk in this case. Its a corrupt plan, partnered by a corrupt establishment, for a corrupt club!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Media outlets like Private Eye and The Mill need to be picking this up. The latter doesn't seem to be a Burnham fan at all.
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City A M running an article about the numbers being very fanciful to say the least, comparing the economic impact of the last few big stadium developments. Spurs (in London) was estimated at £300m a year so who will believe United’s £6b is someone I would like to meet, got a few things I would like to sell them - 10 paper clips for £10k!
 
Citi-leaks said:
Reading through many of the comments on here, it seems that people are getting confused with the redevelopment of Old Trafford the area, and Old Trafford the stadium.

The government are not putting a penny into the building of a new stadium. They are putting in the transport infrastructure to serve 4000 new homes.

Freightliner, the owners of the freight terminal, have been in negotiations to move to a purpose built terminal in St Helens since 2022. With the backing of Manchester and Liverpool City Councils.

The proposed move, which has been confirmed by Freightliner, could offer significant benefits to the modern rail freight and logistics sectors. Not least, the new site, at Parkside East, would, at a stroke, radically reduce the pressure on key infrastructure in Manchester.

It may well relieve the chronic congestion in the notorious ‘Castlefield Corridor’, a two-track section through a heavily urbanised part of central Manchester. The tracks are frequently overloaded with a mixture of freight and passenger traffic.

Purpose built and freeport location​

Speaking to a regional media source, Freightliner confirmed that it had taken an interest in land at Parkside East, with a view to establishing new intermodal facilities there. Freightliner, one of the UK’s largest rail freight operators, is reportedly operating its Old Trafford base at full capacity, moving up to twenty trains a day.

The new site at Parkside East would allow Freightliner to handle many more services. The site’s strategic location, nearby the expanding Liverpool docks, and within a designated freeport, makes the transfer an attractive proposition. Negations could well be centred on the ‘transfer fee’ paid by the football club.

For the logistics sector, the potential relocation offers improved efficiency in goods movement. Parkside East, where Freightliner reportedly is planning over 230,000 square metres of rail terminal space, is well-placed to accommodate future growth in freight volumes, for both domestic and international trade.

The relocation would also open up capacity on the Liverpool-Manchester rail line, currently constrained by freight traffic, allowing for expanded passenger services and easing congestion through Warrington, a choke point on the West Coast Main Line, Europe’s busiest mixed traffic railway.
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Say if the government move the railway sidings and clean the soil will utd give greater Manchester the same acreage in return for free or do they expect to sell the stadium and car park land and keep the money
 

Andy Burnham urged to call out 'injustices' after Greater Manchester's Texas deal​

The Greater Manchester mayor has been urged to 'call out injustice' faced by LGBTQ+ Texans​

I see Andy's been on a jolly to Texas, it's good to know your council tax is being put to good use
 
Citi-leaks said:
Reading through many of the comments on here, it seems that people are getting confused with the redevelopment of Old Trafford the area, and Old Trafford the stadium.

The government are not putting a penny into the building of a new stadium. They are putting in the transport infrastructure to serve 4000 new homes.

Freightliner, the owners of the freight terminal, have been in negotiations to move to a purpose built terminal in St Helens since 2022. With the backing of Manchester and Liverpool City Councils.

The proposed move, which has been confirmed by Freightliner, could offer significant benefits to the modern rail freight and logistics sectors. Not least, the new site, at Parkside East, would, at a stroke, radically reduce the pressure on key infrastructure in Manchester.

It may well relieve the chronic congestion in the notorious ‘Castlefield Corridor’, a two-track section through a heavily urbanised part of central Manchester. The tracks are frequently overloaded with a mixture of freight and passenger traffic.

Purpose built and freeport location​

Speaking to a regional media source, Freightliner confirmed that it had taken an interest in land at Parkside East, with a view to establishing new intermodal facilities there. Freightliner, one of the UK’s largest rail freight operators, is reportedly operating its Old Trafford base at full capacity, moving up to twenty trains a day.

The new site at Parkside East would allow Freightliner to handle many more services. The site’s strategic location, nearby the expanding Liverpool docks, and within a designated freeport, makes the transfer an attractive proposition. Negations could well be centred on the ‘transfer fee’ paid by the football club.

For the logistics sector, the potential relocation offers improved efficiency in goods movement. Parkside East, where Freightliner reportedly is planning over 230,000 square metres of rail terminal space, is well-placed to accommodate future growth in freight volumes, for both domestic and international trade.

The relocation would also open up capacity on the Liverpool-Manchester rail line, currently constrained by freight traffic, allowing for expanded passenger services and easing congestion through Warrington, a choke point on the West Coast Main Line, Europe’s busiest mixed traffic railway.
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I don't believe people are at all confused.

They see this as it it is, a stunt to mix several projects into one, create obfuscation, and provide infrastructure developments which will create direct benefits to the rags without them paying for them.

If you can't see this I can't help you.

Redevelopment and regeneration can take place without the rags.

All they have to do is to spend capex now and r& r ongoing.

Simples !!
 
Citi-leaks said:
Reading through many of the comments on here, it seems that people are getting confused with the redevelopment of Old Trafford the area, and Old Trafford the stadium.

The government are not putting a penny into the building of a new stadium. They are putting in the transport infrastructure to serve 4000 new homes.

Freightliner, the owners of the freight terminal, have been in negotiations to move to a purpose built terminal in St Helens since 2022. With the backing of Manchester and Liverpool City Councils.

The proposed move, which has been confirmed by Freightliner, could offer significant benefits to the modern rail freight and logistics sectors. Not least, the new site, at Parkside East, would, at a stroke, radically reduce the pressure on key infrastructure in Manchester.

It may well relieve the chronic congestion in the notorious ‘Castlefield Corridor’, a two-track section through a heavily urbanised part of central Manchester. The tracks are frequently overloaded with a mixture of freight and passenger traffic.

Purpose built and freeport location​

Speaking to a regional media source, Freightliner confirmed that it had taken an interest in land at Parkside East, with a view to establishing new intermodal facilities there. Freightliner, one of the UK’s largest rail freight operators, is reportedly operating its Old Trafford base at full capacity, moving up to twenty trains a day.

The new site at Parkside East would allow Freightliner to handle many more services. The site’s strategic location, nearby the expanding Liverpool docks, and within a designated freeport, makes the transfer an attractive proposition. Negations could well be centred on the ‘transfer fee’ paid by the football club.

For the logistics sector, the potential relocation offers improved efficiency in goods movement. Parkside East, where Freightliner reportedly is planning over 230,000 square metres of rail terminal space, is well-placed to accommodate future growth in freight volumes, for both domestic and international trade.

The relocation would also open up capacity on the Liverpool-Manchester rail line, currently constrained by freight traffic, allowing for expanded passenger services and easing congestion through Warrington, a choke point on the West Coast Main Line, Europe’s busiest mixed traffic railway.
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So many questions. And the words may and could are doing some heavy lifting there.

But I thought the government would only be paying for the transfer of the terminal so the land could be used for the development? But now they are paying for transport infrastructure as well? So who owns the terminal land and how will it be acquired? Who owns the old stadium land and how will it be acquired? Who is paying for the land they will build the new stadium on? And as far as the government have said, there have been no discussions yet about funding anything?

I'm not sure this whole thing is as progressed as Ratcliffe and Burnham (what a nest of vipers that is) would have us believe.
 
cheekybids said:
Nonsense, the Rags are trying to get access to land they don’t own & can’t afford. The project you have mentioned is not getting the go ahead because it’s not standing up on its own so they piggy backed the Rags moving which also doesn’t stand up on its own.

How about this? The Rags sell their land around the ground to pay for the redevelopment of the Swamp & if the area is so valuable a private investor would jump at it.

The Rags need to understand they don’t have a pot to piss in but they have assets that they can sell, it’s no one else’s problem.
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Isn't that what they are doing?

This was doing the rounds on social media a few weeks ago. The Glazers lobbying the council 7 years ago about all the land they own that is ripe for re-development.
 
Blue Mist said:
@Citi-leaks

As you seem to be championing this farce please answer 2 questions.
When the rail freight yard is moved , will the rags pay for the land or will it be given to them
Who will pay for the industrial clean up of it before building work can commence.
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Not necessarily championing all of it, but as I work in the property industry, I can see a lot of money flowing out to lots of folk. The wider Trafford re-generation is building 17,000 new homes and that will keep a lot of trades people busy for the next decade. This is good for the area.

It is pretty much unheard of that the government announce the largest re-development project in Europe, right on our doorstep. Yes, it involves them getting a new ground out of it, but these things literally never happen in my lifetime. Unless you live in London. It's basically going to be a new city, bolted on to Manchester.

It is obvious to me that the government are using the stadium to sell it to the masses, and that will inevitably stick in the throat of rival fans, but there is also a hell of a lot of good stuff being pushed through, when you turn over the next page and read about it.

From the plans that I have seen, they only need a corner of the freight terminal land for the stadium, and TFGM want to convert the terminal into a new passenger train station on the Warrington - Manchester line.

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Gone for a Burton said:
I don't believe people are at all confused.

They see this as it it is, a stunt to mix several projects into one, create obfuscation, and provide infrastructure developments which will create direct benefits to the rags without them paying for them.

If you can't see this I can't help you.

Redevelopment and regeneration can take place without the rags.

All they have to do is to spend capex now and r& r ongoing.

Simples !!
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I was about to like your post ....


.... But you said "Simples!!" At the end
 
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Citi-leaks said:
Not necessarily championing all of it, but as I work in the property industry, I can see a lot of money flowing out to lots of folk. The wider Trafford re-generation is building 17,000 new homes and that will keep a lot of trades people busy for the next decade. This is good for the area.

It is pretty much unheard of that the government announce the largest re-development project in Europe, right on our doorstep. Yes, it involves them getting a new ground out of it, but these things literally never happen in my lifetime. Unless you live in London. It's basically going to be a new city, bolted on to Manchester.

It is obvious to me that the government are using the stadium to sell it to the masses, and that will inevitably stick in the throat of rival fans, but there is also a hell of a lot of good stuff being pushed through, when you turn over the next page and read about it.

From the plans that I have seen, they only need a corner of the freight terminal land for the stadium, and TFGM want to convert the terminal into a new passenger train station on the Warrington - Manchester line.

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But you didn't answer the question.
This little bit of land. Will they pay for it.

Further, all this could go ahead without the rags moving an inch.
The freight yard could be moved and houses could be built.
Both are needed.
Are we saying without the publicity regarding the rags the money wouldn't be made available?
If so that just shows how false it all is.
Make the rich richer.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Not necessarily championing all of it, but as I work in the property industry, I can see a lot of money flowing out to lots of folk. The wider Trafford re-generation is building 17,000 new homes and that will keep a lot of trades people busy for the next decade. This is good for the area.

It is pretty much unheard of that the government announce the largest re-development project in Europe, right on our doorstep. Yes, it involves them getting a new ground out of it, but these things literally never happen in my lifetime. Unless you live in London. It's basically going to be a new city, bolted on to Manchester.

It is obvious to me that the government are using the stadium to sell it to the masses, and that will inevitably stick in the throat of rival fans, but there is also a hell of a lot of good stuff being pushed through, when you turn over the next page and read about it.

From the plans that I have seen, they only need a corner of the freight terminal land for the stadium, and TFGM want to convert the terminal into a new passenger train station on the Warrington - Manchester line.

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Quite a bit more than that by the looks of it
 
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