10 | Jack Grealish - 2024/25

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King Jay said:
PSG plays much faster than city and create chances at a higher volume because their players don’t keep the ball just for possession
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BBC stats (under Distribution) for PSG vs us and the 2 games against Liverpool show that PSG have the higher backward pass to forward pass ratio in all 3 games. So given the choice of a safer backwards pass and more risky forward pass, PSG were the more likely team to choose the safer backward pass in all 3 games.

This shows PSG play a possession game and are perfectly happy to pass backwards in order to keep the ball and wait for the moment to pass forwards. So I think your assertion is misleading as in all 3 games PSG were the team who were happier to wait before trying the riskier forward pass. PSG created more chances because they had more of the ball in all 3 games and now have creative and energetic players. And PSG certainly aren't looking to just get the ball forward as quickly as possible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/ckgrrpm0vp8t#MatchStats

Backward passes PSG 115 Manchester City 79
Forward passes PSG 153 Manchester City 112

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PSG 0-1 Liverpool: Harvey Elliott scores winner in smash and grab

Liverpool complete one of the biggest smash and grabs in Champions League history to come away from their last-16 first leg against Paris St-Germain with a win.
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Backward passes PSG 89 Liverpool 48
Forward passes PSG 163 Liverpool 127


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Liverpool 0-1 PSG (1-4 after pens): Reds out of Champions League after shootout defeat

Darwin Nunez and Curtis Jones miss in shootout as PSG beat Liverpool on penalties in Champions League last 16.
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Backward passes Liverpool 84 PSG 92
Forward passes Liverpool 213 PSG 203
 
Luddite_Blue said:
BBC stats (under Distribution) for PSG vs us and the 2 games against Liverpool show that PSG have the higher backward pass to forward pass ratio in all 3 games. So given the choice of a safer backwards pass and more risky forward pass, PSG were the more likely team to choose the safer backward pass in all 3 games.

This shows PSG play a possession game and are perfectly happy to pass backwards in order to keep the ball and wait for the moment to pass forwards. So I think your assertion is misleading as in all 3 games PSG were the team who were happier to wait before trying the riskier forward pass. PSG created more chances because they had more of the ball in all 3 games and now have creative and energetic players. And PSG certainly aren't looking to just get the ball forward as quickly as possible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/ckgrrpm0vp8t#MatchStats

Backward passes PSG 115 Manchester City 79
Forward passes PSG 153 Manchester City 112

www.bbc.co.uk

PSG 0-1 Liverpool: Harvey Elliott scores winner in smash and grab

Liverpool complete one of the biggest smash and grabs in Champions League history to come away from their last-16 first leg against Paris St-Germain with a win.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk


Backward passes PSG 89 Liverpool 48
Forward passes PSG 163 Liverpool 127


www.bbc.co.uk

Liverpool 0-1 PSG (1-4 after pens): Reds out of Champions League after shootout defeat

Darwin Nunez and Curtis Jones miss in shootout as PSG beat Liverpool on penalties in Champions League last 16.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Backward passes Liverpool 84 PSG 92
Forward passes Liverpool 213 PSG 203
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Okay the stats say something else but what’s the difference between their players and ours? They actually attack their opponent and doesn’t pass around the whole time. The amount of pace they do it with is completely different than ours. We only have 1 guy who can score they have at least 4. our players look for a back pass whenever receiving the ball too.
 
Luddite_Blue said:
BBC stats (under Distribution) for PSG vs us and the 2 games against Liverpool show that PSG have the higher backward pass to forward pass ratio in all 3 games. So given the choice of a safer backwards pass and more risky forward pass, PSG were the more likely team to choose the safer backward pass in all 3 games.

This shows PSG play a possession game and are perfectly happy to pass backwards in order to keep the ball and wait for the moment to pass forwards. So I think your assertion is misleading as in all 3 games PSG were the team who were happier to wait before trying the riskier forward pass. PSG created more chances because they had more of the ball in all 3 games and now have creative and energetic players. And PSG certainly aren't looking to just get the ball forward as quickly as possible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/ckgrrpm0vp8t#MatchStats

Backward passes PSG 115 Manchester City 79
Forward passes PSG 153 Manchester City 112

www.bbc.co.uk

PSG 0-1 Liverpool: Harvey Elliott scores winner in smash and grab

Liverpool complete one of the biggest smash and grabs in Champions League history to come away from their last-16 first leg against Paris St-Germain with a win.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk


Backward passes PSG 89 Liverpool 48
Forward passes PSG 163 Liverpool 127


www.bbc.co.uk

Liverpool 0-1 PSG (1-4 after pens): Reds out of Champions League after shootout defeat

Darwin Nunez and Curtis Jones miss in shootout as PSG beat Liverpool on penalties in Champions League last 16.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Backward passes Liverpool 84 PSG 92
Forward passes Liverpool 213 PSG 203
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Shows alot that possesson based football is not dead like some people in here claimed to be, we just don't have the right personnel for it anymore.
 
It seems like Pep doesnt rate him anymore.

And even if I think he deserves more of a chance, especially as a midfielder, Pep doesnt.

Fine, sell him in the summer for a reduced fee if we have to, just move him on then.
 
King Jay said:
Okay the stats say something else but what’s the difference between their players and ours? They actually attack their opponent and doesn’t pass around the whole time. The amount of pace they do it with is completely different than ours. We only have 1 guy who can score they have at least 4. our players look for a back pass whenever receiving the ball too.
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The attacking stats say PSG had one one-on-one attempt in the home games v us and Liverpool and two one-on-one attempts in the away game at Anfield, so more possession based. City won the treble at or just past our peak and now have an aging side. One of the reasons it's so hard to sustain success over a number of years is that it gives other teams time to emerge and develop and PSG now have a young, hungry, energetic, talented side. I accept that the key to the next few years is to find the way to get the most out of Haaland.
 
B\connellblue said:
11 goals in his time here should be the only stat that is relevant when discussing Jack Grealish. He's been a massive disappointment. He's done here now and has been for some time. When the history of these glory years are written he'll hardly get a mention.
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Looking at the below sides it's a ridiculous notion that in a team sport you can single out players and say they didn't really contribute and could just be removed from the team and everything would be the same. Having the correct balance to the team is really important and this takes time to achieve and then the maxim of a team being more than the sum of its parts applies in winning trophies. I'd also point out there seems to be a clear pattern of English clubs who've won European trophies being based much more on experience than youth and energy


Our Cup Winners Cup winning side:

1 England Joe Corrigan
2 England Tony Book (c)
5 England Tommy Booth
7 England George Heslop
3 England Glyn Pardoe
4 England Mike Doyle (Ian Bowyer 17')
6 England Alan Oakes
11 England Tony Towers
8 England Colin Bell
9 England Francis Lee
10 England Neil Young



Villa's European Cup winning side:

1 England Jimmy Rimmer (Nigel Spink 9')
2 England Kenny Swain
5 Scotland Ken McNaught
4 Scotland Allan Evans
3 England Gary Williams Yellow card 38'
6 England Dennis Mortimer (c)
10 England Gordon Cowans
7 Scotland Des Bremner
9 England Peter Withe
8 England Gary Shaw
11 England Tony Morley



Everton's Cup Winners Cup winning side:

GK 1 Wales Neville Southall
RB 2 England Gary Stevens Yellow card 43'
CB 4 Wales Kevin Ratcliffe (c)
CB 5 England Derek Mountfield
LB 3 Wales Pat Van Den Hauwe
RM 7 England Trevor Steven
CM 6 England Peter Reid
CM 10 England Paul Bracewell
LM 11 Republic of Ireland Kevin Sheedy
CF 8 Scotland Graeme Sharp
CF 9 Scotland Andy Gray



Also with every week that passes, the victories over Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and Inter Milan look better and better to me.
 
There may however be precedents for City players not being fully appreciated at the time; it was before I started going but I understand Ian Bowyer received a lot of stick whilst at City. His Wiki entry states the following:


The following season, as an 18-year-old, Bowyer made 33 full league appearances and one as substitute for City as they finished 11th in the First Division. He was also a regular in Manchester City's League Cup run and scored twice in their two-legged semi final against local rivals United. In March he came on as a substitute for Mike Summerbee in the 1970 Football League Cup final beating West Bromwich Albion 2–1. Manchester City also won the Cup Winners Cup that season and Bowyer played his part in that European success too. City overcame Athletic Bilbao in the first round, 6–3 on aggregate with Bowyer playing in both and scoring in the second leg 3–0 home win. He also played in both second-round games against Belgian club Lierse S.K. but missed out on the next two rounds. He replaced Mike Doyle after 23 minutes in the 1970 European Cup Winners' Cup final against Górnik Zabrze in Vienna. City won 2–1.


Left for Leyton Orient, ended up at Forest winning:

Football League First Division: 1977–78
League Cup: 1977–78, 1978–79
FA Charity Shield: 1978
Anglo-Scottish Cup: 1976–77
Football League Second Division: promoted 1976–77
European Cup: 1978–79, 1979–80
UEFA Super Cup: 1979



And Paul Power used to get a lot of stick in the 80s and then left for Everton and won
Football League First Division: 1986-87
FA Charity Shield: 1986 (shared), 1987.
 
What I don’t understand is on this thread and twitter everyone is going on about him not scoring or assisting for over year but how can he when this season he hasn’t played apart from 5 mins before the end of the odd game. That stat is a useless stat to keep going on about. When he has played he has been much better than most of the midfield.
 
B\connellblue said:
The thing is grealish hasn't got a "lot of stick" at all. He's just been a huge disappointment here.
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I tend to agree.
When we bought Jack I thought we were getting a real game changer for 5 years.
A great player who would provide bucket loads of assists and quite a few goals a season.
His career at City has been disappointing except for six months.

Now he just looks like a sad figure on the bench.

Whether that's Pep's fault as some are suggesting we don't know.
 
B\connellblue said:
The thing is grealish hasn't got a "lot of stick" at all. He's just been a huge disappointment here.
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Extraordinary use of language.

If a player who signed wins 3 PLs and a CL is a "huge disappointment",what would you class not winning the PL or CL for the next 3 years as? Not winning CL or PL for 10 years? For 30 years?
 
Bill Walker said:
I tend to agree.
When we bought Jack I thought we were getting a real game changer for 5 years.
A great player who would provide bucket loads of assists and quite a few goals a season.
His career at City has been disappointing except for six months.

Now he just looks like a sad figure on the bench.

Whether that's Pep's fault as some are suggesting we don't know.
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In Grealish's first 3 seasons when he played regularly City won 3 Premier Leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup and 1 FIFA Club World Cup.

Are the results City achieve with a signing in the team irrelevant to how you judge a signing's worth? Absolutely astonishing.

If in a team sport results don't matter, what exactly are you judging a signing on?
 
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