PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

In layman’s then are you basically saying we might hypothetically have been cleared of all the main charges, been hit with a non-cooperation charge, and now awaiting our “punishment” for that being decided before the release of the information? Then of course we may well appeal?

Possibly, or possibly not.

What I am saying in layman's terms is that no-one knows anything really, so let's all calm down :)

 

[slbsn]

Flies in the face of Pep saying we would have the decision in about a month, about a month ago.

People need to be sensible here. Just because @slbsn and @BillyShears have “heard” the club hasn’t had the decision, doesn’t mean the club hasn’t had the decision.

Let’s be realistic, the club is not going to release that information to two random members of the public, especially to two people the club will be aware are very active on social media.

I’d be 100 times more likely to go with what Pep is saying.

I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say (Billy can speak for himself). But as I said, I am in touch with a wide variety of people. I wouldn't ask my club contacts (I don't have many), I wouldn't share what they told me anyway and I wouldn't share anything told to me in confidence by anybody from any source. Pep's very loose comments in press conference are largely irrelevant though simply because they are very vague and already out of date.

But as I say, you don't need to believe anything I say. I will say though that I am very careful what I share and what I don't.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Don’t we know much at all really and I wouldn’t take what Pep says in a news conference too literally either, Could be tomorrorow could be another month.

We don’t know mate, that’s the point I’m making.

People are putting far too much emphasis on what certain posters have or haven’t “heard”. Especially so when those posters either won’t or can’t detail where they “heard” whatever they say they heard.

We get a lot of “someone I know at the club” or “someone who knows someone who knows someone who’s mate works at the club” nonsense posts that do absolutely nothing whatsoever to enhance our understanding and simply ends up with posters either ejaculating in ecstasy or throwing themselves off bridges.

I’m still way more inclined to believe Pep.

 

[slbsn]

w48: In the case of a determination at a hearing the Commission’s decision shall be announced as soon as practicable thereafter and if possible at the end of the hearing and shall be confirmed in writing by the chair of the Commission to the parties (and copied to the Chair of the Judicial Panel).

In writing can be a few lines and it then says "to the Parties".

It does not say what W.83 says.

 

[117 M34]

Can't trust anything pep says in a press conference. He told us nunes was one of the best midfielders in the world not long back in a presser

 

[Stoned Rose]

I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say (Billy can speak for himself). But as I said, I am in touch with a wide variety of people. I wouldn't ask my club contacts (I don't have many), I wouldn't share what they told me anyway and I wouldn't share anything told to me in confidence. Pep's very loose comments in press conference are largely irrelevant though simply because they are very vague and already out of date.

But as I say, you don't need to believe anything I say. I will say though that I am very careful what I share and what I don't.

Pep’s comments can’t realistically be defined as loose mate.

He nailed his colours and said the club will have the decision and sentence in about a month. That’s pretty definitive in my view.

 

[slbsn]

If anyone wants a distraction, I got hold of the reasons in the FA Tribunal decision Sheffield United v West Ham from 2008 (never publicly released) so decided to write an article. I regretted it but I finished it so you may as well read it!

It is a 2 parter with some lessons in Part 2 and some amazing stuff in Part 1.

Part 1 - https://stefanborson.substack.com/p/revealed-what-really-happened-with

Part 2 - https://stefanborson.substack.com/p/revealed-what-really-happened-with-248

 

[MarsLlama]

Pep’s comments can’t realistically be defined as loose mate.

He nailed his colours and said the club will have the decision and sentence in about a month. That’s pretty definitive in my view.

I'd argue that by definition his comments are loose because he used the word 'about'. Five or even six weeks at a push could be defined as 'about a month'.

 

[slbsn]

Pep’s comments can’t realistically be defined as loose mate.

He nailed his colours and said the club will have the decision and sentence in about a month. That’s pretty definitive in my view.

Well for starters he didn't say decision and did say sentence which he didn't mean because he meant decision. So not at all definitive. And he originally said February. It is almost April.

 

[BillyShears]

I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say (Billy can speak for himself). But as I said, I am in touch with a wide variety of people. I wouldn't ask my club contacts (I don't have many), I wouldn't share what they told me anyway and I wouldn't share anything told to me in confidence by anybody from any source. Pep's very loose comments in press conference are largely irrelevant though simply because they are very vague and already out of date.

But as I say, you don't need to believe anything I say. I will say though that I am very careful what I share and what I don't.

I am not breaching anyone’s confidence by saying the club haven’t had the verdict yet. It’s not a guarded secret, it’s just a statement of fact. As you say whether people choose to believe it or not is up to them.

 

[give it to gordon]

As I say, none of it is completely clear or well drafted. Announced does not seem to mean "confirmed publicly" otherwise it would say so as it does in W.83. Arguably, W.48 means announced to the parties. I don't think it does but parties looking to keep it secret may make such arguments.

I'm shocked are you saying the pl rules aren't clear lol

 

[Fordyboy46]

Pep’s comments can’t realistically be defined as loose mate.

He nailed his colours and said the club will have the decision and sentence in about a month. That’s pretty definitive in my view.

I think he said in a month as a guess mate. A sort of reply to him being pissed off getting asked the same question again and again

 

[SouthStandStander]

I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say (Billy can speak for himself). But as I said, I am in touch with a wide variety of people. I wouldn't ask my club contacts (I don't have many), I wouldn't share what they told me anyway and I wouldn't share anything told to me in confidence by anybody from any source. Pep's very loose comments in press conference are largely irrelevant though simply because they are very vague and already out of date.

But as I say, you don't need to believe anything I say. I will say though that I am very careful what I share and what I don't.

Share more @slbsn
Come on, lets have it all :-)

 

[No1 was Colin bell]

I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say (Billy can speak for himself). But as I said, I am in touch with a wide variety of people. I wouldn't ask my club contacts (I don't have many), I wouldn't share what they told me anyway and I wouldn't share anything told to me in confidence by anybody from any source. Pep's very loose comments in press conference are largely irrelevant though simply because they are very vague and already out of date.

But as I say, you don't need to believe anything I say. I will say though that I am very careful what I share and what I don't.

Just keep it coming please Stefan.

 

[blueparrot]

Wonder if it gets to a point in the next few weeks where any decision is held off until after the season. If there was any punishments or a point deduction they may want it to apply from next season rather than this with any resulting chaos in the last few weeks of the season,due to appeals,it may cause with other clubs.

 

[dadnlad]

Wishful thinking, perhaps, but the change in media slant suggests to me that a decision is imminent.

Maybe just cold feet
Theyll hope everyone forgotten what they wrote in past

 

[Damanino]

we all know how media will react, we seen it before.
any tiny charge they find against us will be under microscope and shouted from the rooftop.
we are charged with murder, kidnap, terrorism and crimes of the highest financial levels and also we have a few charges related for parking our car in the wrong spot or our ticket was for 60 minutes but the car was still there 90 minutes later.

we will be cleared of murder, kidnap, terrorism etc but the parking crimes will be proved lol.

media will try to play it "ahhh there you are, GUILTY, we knew all along, those trophies are now tainted, it doesnt matter if guilty of 115 charges or just 3 of them."

what will be fun tho is the explaining that media did on purpose built up by covering the possible outcomes way too much and one sided like sending City to National league level, expulsion of PL, 100 points penalty, stripping trophies etc.
if all this is wiped off and we end up with a fine of 5/10/15m only, there will be a serious upset in lot of fans especially at red cartel (the loudest set of fans in terms of media voice), cant wait how whatsappgroup will try to appease them and console them. you look at ragcafe, rawk, there are people there who are adamant City will be sent back to dark ages with the outcome of this case.

bit like one of my friend in US was absolutely adamant there is no way Trump gets elected about a year ago and how great choice the Democrats did with Kamala Harris etc., he is fucking depressed now and that is gonna happen with lots of red cartel fans.

kind of wish we wouldnt be this bad this season as we dropped the level quite a lot sadly and this would be so much fun if red cartel fans had this season again with the feeling "we cannot keep up with City because they cheat" feeling, which is hard to have if they are above us in the table by 10 or 20 points and we underperform in CL too like we did.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Can’t believe the Pearce time just got ranked alongside Pellegrini and the year after winning 4 in a row under Pep with comment that it’s even worse than the toxic time of Maine Road…

Haha!!

Haha!!

 

[Marvin.]

Pep’s comments can’t realistically be defined as loose mate.

He nailed his colours and said the club will have the decision and sentence in about a month. That’s pretty definitive in my view.

I take Pep's comments serve as rough guidance on the timeline and they probably underlie why most commentators claim that an announcement is imminent.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say (Billy can speak for himself). But as I said, I am in touch with a wide variety of people. I wouldn't ask my club contacts (I don't have many), I wouldn't share what they told me anyway and I wouldn't share anything told to me in confidence by anybody from any source. Pep's very loose comments in press conference are largely irrelevant though simply because they are very vague and already out of date.

Also his English, whilst more than adequate for discharging his duties as a football manager isn’t remotely good enough to convey legal terminology effectively enough, even in relation to something as relatively straightforward as a timetable for a judgment. Even if he knew with any certainty, which he almost certainly doesn’t.

These things are often moveable feasts anyway, especially when three people are responsible for the written determination. It only takes (for example) an interim injunction landing on one of their desks in their ‘day job’ at some point around this time and things could get pushed on by a couple of days.