PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

TBF, ours only exploded when the PL announced the charges, which were always coming after the UEFA charges. Nobody knows what's going on with Chelsea at the moment. The PL have been rather busy of late :)
The PL may have approved this. The press have pointed out that UEFA may not, so we may yet see some regulatory response.

The investigations have been going on for so long that I am losing track of what happened when, but I think the Der Spiegel revelations pre-dated the charges and received an almost hysterical response in the football media across several nations. What Chelsea have done, and the media response to it demonstrates that it was not what City were alleged to have done that bothered the rest of football but who we were, and that it was seen as an opportunity to nail us to the wall. The football world seem to accept that Chelsea can do whatever they want, just like Man Utd and Liverpool did with the ESL where they must have been collectively conspiring against rival Premier League clubs for months if not years.
 
Am I correct in suggesting that just because you've not heard doesn't mean nothing has happened though? Can't imagine you're asking the question directly every day

No mate, when I say nothing, I mean nothing has happened. IE. The club don't have a decision and have no date for when it will arrive.
 
TBF, ours only exploded when the PL announced the charges, which were always coming after the UEFA charges. Nobody knows what's going on with Chelsea at the moment. The PL have been rather busy of late :)
This sums up the situation. The PL have spent years in an effort to finish us off because they fear our football club model - but this has been to the detriment of football as a whole because it has prevented them from keeping a check on every other club. This has allowed many controversial actions by other clubs that will eventually cause great problems for the PL. The constant rule changes to prevent our progress has also impacted the very teams that are STILL trying to block us.

The whole situation is a fiasco but the media can’t see this.

Imagine what decent journalists in an intelligent media sector could have written about the actions by the PL over the last 6 years. They could destroy it completely but they are on their payroll so have to keep attacking us.
 
Think you are linking too many things at the same time here.

We are yet to see what, if anything happens re Chelsea with regard to the matters that were self reported. Of course I have read the articles in the press but ,we simply don’t know the extent of what Chelsea’s new owners uncovered or more relevant the completeness. It could be everything reported in the press but at the same time it could be far more. We simply don’t know.

The point remains that the new owners and therefore almost certainly the PL won’t have been able to access to our ex owner or his records to conduct a full investigation. Add to that as you well know from your background if you don’t grant concessions when people self report you are in grave danger that issues uncovered by current or even future owners will remain hidden if there is no advantage by coming clean indeed ,we have absolutely no idea what skeletons are in other clubs closets!

Do I you think for one second Chelsea would have self reported if RA was still the owner? No i certainly dont so, at this stage Chelsea ,if they hadn’t self reported would following the leaks be looking at some point of charges akin to Cities.


When it comes inter club transactions of course they should be disallowed when it comes to PSR . But, as Stephan points out the clubs made a conscious decision not to ban them. The fact that they won’t count when it comes to FFP sort of suggests that they may well have ploughed on with them regardless .That said the tariffs structure published by UEFA isn’t really that much of a deterrent.

The hotels from my limited understanding based on location / land value % occupancy etc seemed to be high valuation wise but not unreasonable. However the information re the woman’s team seems to be a crazy valuation but the mechanism is there to challenge.
Like your owners ours are far from novices when it comes to money matters so no doubt will have their justifications already lined up.

Who knows ? What we do know is that even after UEFa and indeed the PL stepped into restrict the length a transfer fee can be amortised, Chelsea still are handing out contracts in excess of 5 years so they may have carried out these transactions irrespective . We simply don’t know!

Bohley and company aren’t getting close to the best press that’s for sure but, there again most clubs supporters genuinely believe their clubs receive unfair treatment. I am far from blinkered in this regard and feel many of the press reports have a certain merit but certainly not all of them

As for City I don’t actually think this has anything to do with your owners colour, your owners background or anything other than it’s down to a quirk in British thinking in that we for some reason like the plucky underdog and don’t like winners. My take is the press here feed on that narrative and will do everything it can to tap into that negativity and, in a blink of an eye the whole nation ( save fans associated with the club being hammered) buys into that school of thought.

As I said earlier If RA was still our owner would it be right to say we were being treated differently because he is a Jew ? Of course not

If you weren’t winning things you would be termed almost plucky or a great role model a bit like Brighton or come to that Bournemouth both who have used the rules to their advantage . One running up hugely beneficial owner loans the other writing off huge ownership loans but to a large degree their other indiscretions go un reported , In the case of Brighton there have been some interesting other matters that didn’t even get a line in the national press.

Of course the PL have had to investigate the Chelsea matters . If you read my postings on this forum re this I have always said I expect a sanction of some sort indeed , it was me that flagged up months before there was a suggestion in the press that it might actually not result in charges but be settled by agreement.

It’s easy to think that I am suggesting that Chelsea should be treated differently but what has gone on at Chelsea’s treatment is different for one simple reason and that’s because the PL ,once RA sold up will not have had the same ability to conduct a complete investigation.

I thought there were some issues at Chelsea that were self-reported, but that was prior to the Cypriot bank leak, which showed the potential 'off the books' payments?

Not sure the second is classed as self-reporting. The new owners can argue they didn't know anything about it, but all the talk around City is that the club will be punished, not the owners. I'd assume Chelsea would be punished for the breaches, and then the owners can take it up with RA if it costs them money.

Let's face it, both cases are almost impossible to prove, because the PL can't be looking in detail at the accounts of all City's sponsors, just as they can't force Abramovich to help - however, I assume Chelsea are still under investigation, or has the case been closed?
 
In your humble opinion Ashan, is this wait a good thing or is bad. I know you've probably been asked this before.

I don't think it signifies anything other than it's a complex case with A LOT riding on it. I imagine it'll be the most public and scrutinised judgement that the panel have ever worked on. So you'd expect that they will take their time both in coming to a conclusion, and also justifying it in the written judgement.
 
You say they reported off the book payments to Hazzard. That actually isn’t what we have been told. The leaks said RA made a payment to Hazards agent. Dodgy yep but not quite the same. Of course the Cyprus leaks posed some challenges deep ones at that but the claim isn’t fully that Chelsea made off the book payments it’s that RA made payments that potentially should have been made by the club or in certain cases not at all.

When it comes to City the case is clearly incredibly complex hence why it’s taken so long to conclude

It's classed as of the books because it was not disclosed in the accounts it's fcking cheating especially when there was other clubs who wanted Hazard who in effect helped Chelsea win trophies! Funny Man City get so much shit from the media but because American own them not a dickie bird why? American run the media outlets and papers!
 
It's classed as of the books because it was not disclosed in the accounts it's fcking cheating especially when there was other clubs who wanted Hazard who in effect helped Chelsea win trophies! Funny Man City get so much shit from the media but because American own them not a dickie bird why? American run the media outlets and papers!

They are severe breaches however Chelsea has several things in their favour such as change of ownership, self-reporting and both parties understandably keen to settle.

We may never even find out the terms of the settlement.
 
That's not the point. I am not that bothered about the sanctity of PSR/FFP but surely the differing treatment shows that the regulatory process is vindictive and a farce?
agree totally, but the teams that are driving this whole shit show, and at the same time flouting the rules with covid allowances and £50m holes in the ground, are the real enemies for me.
 


mcfc lads on The Overlap today.

Ipswich fan basically saying it will be unfair if they get relegated if we are guilty, but not judgement made this season.
 
I don't think it signifies anything other than it's a complex case with A LOT riding on it. I imagine it'll be the most public and scrutinised judgement that the panel have ever worked on. So you'd expect that they will take their time both in coming to a conclusion, and also justifying it in the written judgement.

Nice one. BTW Couch Sports bar in Bairro Alto, Lisbon is a great place to watch the footy.
 
I don't think it signifies anything other than it's a complex case with A LOT riding on it. I imagine it'll be the most public and scrutinised judgement that the panel have ever worked on. So you'd expect that they will take their time both in coming to a conclusion, and also justifying it in the written judgement.
I was having a momentarily flap there Billy. Quite uncharacteristic for me as I've been very confident from day one. Cheers Blue.
 
It's classed as of the books because it was not disclosed in the accounts it's fcking cheating especially when there was other clubs who wanted Hazard who in effect helped Chelsea win trophies! Funny Man City get so much shit from the media but because American own them not a dickie bird why? American run the media outlets and papers!
Selling the women's team back to yourself is dodgy as fuck. Imagine if we'd had done that.
 

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