Roll call for 9 minute protest

One final point on this stupid 'racism' card that people are pulling to undermine the protests...

Due to a whole host of institutionalised racism, ethnic minorities earn roughly 10% less than white people in the UK. The club's continued price rises disproportionately affect ethnic minorities as a result. We want cheaper tickets. This will lead to a more diverse and reflective demographic at the Etihad... something I personally would be very happy with.
 
I organised a singing section for the game on Weds. 100+ City fans in SSL3. We have a few people of different nationalities who all had a great time. No one was abused or called a tourist.

I stand with a good mate in 115 normally. He's an Indian lad who's moved to Manchester to become a Dr. Everyone loves him round me and he's never had any issues.

I suspect that more of this hostility happens in areas of the ground where the effects of the club's ticketing policy is more prevalent.

For example, a few weeks ago, the Tunnel Club was full of people celebrating Real Madrid's goals. It's absolutely not right that people like Mo are getting called a tourist, that's why we need the protests and uproar to coerce the club into doing the right thing (which would prevent it).

My point is that the sentiment you're describing doesn't come from the fans. We are absolutely not a racist fanbase (collectively). The club have created this toxic environment via their ticketing policy.
I knew someone would come out with the "some of my best mates are Asian" line.

Stop living in dreamland FFS and accept that some of our fans are racist. A lesson I learned many years ago when I was a senior union official in a big factory is that any large group will reflect society at large. It's nothing to do with the ticketing policy. It's to do with individuals and their attitudes.
 
I knew someone would come out with the "some of my best mates are Asian" line.

Stop living in dreamland FFS and accept that some of our fans are racist. A lesson I learned many years ago when I was a senior union official in a big factory is that any large group will reflect society at large. It's nothing to do with the ticketing policy. It's to do with individuals and their attitudes.
When we first moved to the stadium a lad behind me told Henry to “get a wash!”
 
Tourists are tourists

When you jump up and down in a seat in the home end when our opponents score you're a tourist.

It's dead easy but some people just can't stop themselves.

Even some of the ones that claim to be neutral or City fans can be annoying.

During the Liverpool game some brash American for some reason started yelling at people to 'calm down' and 'we're only here to enjoy the game'. Hahaha. As you can imagine that went down like a lead balloon. Losing to our closest rivals for the past 10 years and him telling the likes of a friend of mine whose been going for 60 years that it shouldn't mean so much to him and how to behave in his own stadium. I found it quite hilarious when he told me that, but he certainly didn't.
 
Even some of the ones that claim to be neutral or City fans can be annoying.

During the Liverpool game some brash American for some reason started yelling at people to 'calm down' and 'we're only here to enjoy the game'. Hahaha. As you can imagine that went down like a lead balloon. Losing to our closest rivals for the past 10 years and him telling the likes of a friend of mine whose been going for 60 years that it shouldn't mean so much to him and how to behave in his own stadium. I found it quite hilarious when he told me that, but he certainly didn't.

Got to be honest whoever it is if that person is cheering for us then I have no problem at all, however if they are cheering for the side we are playing they can fuck off :)

At the Leicester game I was sat next to a Chinese couple who spent half the game buried in each others faces, but when City scored both times they went wild it was good stuff .
 
I knew someone would come out with the "some of my best mates are Asian" line.

Stop living in dreamland FFS and accept that some of our fans are racist. A lesson I learned many years ago when I was a senior union official in a big factory is that any large group will reflect society at large. It's nothing to do with the ticketing policy. It's to do with individuals and their attitudes.


That's fine - but then people are doing the same thing in reverse to what you're saying by linking this racism to the protesting that's been going on.

It's either individuals or it's not. If it is not individuals, then the club's ticketing policy is at least partly to blame. If it is individuals then stop blaming the protests or fan anger when people get racially abused. We are literally on a thread about the protests - so if it's not linked, fuck off to the politics board to talk about racism and stop derailing a thread about fan's concerns (in regards to ticketing).

And the reason I made that point about my mate and the fans in the singing section on Weds, was because I believe the club's ticketing policy disproportionately affects areas like the Tunnel Club, which is where the incident you're anecdotally telling us happened took place. I literally said that in the post you're replying to. So please don't try and spin this. I know you're a better debater than that.
 
They've come a long way in a short time and they are a proud, dynamic and honourable people, Khaldoon is a great chairman and the Sheikh a great owner, but they have no idea what it is to love City as we do, how inextricably woven into our lives it is, how the club is an essential part of us and the City of Manchester, how could they feel that? They might just as well own a football club on Mars.

I'd argue the opposite. There are almost no people in the world this wealthy who are as culturally connected to their roots as the Bani Yas tribes. You're correct that they've gone from semi-nomadic Bedouins to peoples of extreme wealth but their entire culture is based around a deep respect for the lands in which they roamed.
When the Japanese took over the pearl industry through the invention of artificial pearls, added to the Great Depression making the prestigious real pearls an even more insane luxury, it crashed their economy and they went through pretty extreme hardships that created cultural scars to which sport became an outlet to many. As I say, the area that makes up Abu Dhabi now was a British protectorate and listened to BBC World Service. Sheikh Mansour's Dad was able to form the UAE because his brother was removed in a bloodless coup with help from the British. The UAE and Al Nahyan's aren't a country and people to which British culture and its cultural exports are foreign. Their biggest sports back in the era you showed are animal racing (horse->camel, greyhound->saluki), sailing and football.
In fact there's decent testimony to show that people were playing football under our rules in the Abu Dhabi region before many South American countries. It has always been around due to their British influenced culture and them being international traders.
One of the very FIRST things that Sheikh Zayed (Mansour's father) did after he established the UAE was to create a national football team and use this as a collective source of UAE pride. They were playing international games like 8 weeks after the country was invented which is metal when you think of it.

I think if you add all these elements together - the cultural respect for lands and peoples, the collective understanding of sports as a recreation, and the hardships they endured during the Great Depression then I'd argue that they probably "get" English football supporters culture a billion times more than someone like the Glazers or FSG who live in a world of movable franchises. There's very few people in the world I'd prefer owned our football club than Sheikh Mansour with Khaldoon running the Board, but as much as I respect how they've gone about things, if I my kids grow up in a world where they cannot afford to watch City and it happens under their stewardship then I'm going to blame them for it.
 
I knew someone would come out with the "some of my best mates are Asian" line.

Stop living in dreamland FFS and accept that some of our fans are racist. A lesson I learned many years ago when I was a senior union official in a big factory is that any large group will reflect society at large. It's nothing to do with the ticketing policy. It's to do with individuals and their attitudes.
Colin, I know for a fact that @Manchester33 wasn't saying we don't have racist fans. If anything, knowing him like I do he'll be the first to accept that we do. It stands to reason that in a crowd of 50,000 fans sadly there will be some racists. Just like your own analogy of working in a big factory there will be racists there too. His point was that the vast majority of City fans aren't racist which I'm sure you're in agreement with.
 
I knew someone would come out with the "some of my best mates are Asian" line.

Stop living in dreamland FFS and accept that some of our fans are racist. A lesson I learned many years ago when I was a senior union official in a big factory is that any large group will reflect society at large. It's nothing to do with the ticketing policy. It's to do with individuals and their attitudes.
Have you not got better things to do than this shit stirring?
 
My evidence is factual as I've heard it from the person impacted. And do you not see how patronising Manchester33's post is?
My evidence is also factual, because I've stood with my Indian mate in 115 for a couple of years and he has never been racially abused.

Again, the point I was highlighting is that these incidents are happening more frequently in areas where the club's ticketing policy is more evident. Which is why the club needs to reconsider it's ticketing policy to reduce these incidents.

If you can be bothered to engage constructively, then I'll respond. But if you're just WUMming or spinning a narrative against the action fans took on Wednesday, then there's no point wasting time debating with you.
 
I knew someone would come out with the "some of my best mates are Asian" line.

But some of my best mates ARE Asian :(

Jokes aside, half my family are from Shanghai and they're all Blues. They seem split on the issue of whether there's a racism problem at City (and it's almost entirely due to where they sit and what types of games they go to imo) but agree that when people say "tourist", some people mean "people who aren't white". There's nothing really we can do against thins that I can come up with, outside of calling them a ****, which already happens.
 
If you can be bothered to engage constructively, then I'll respond. But if you're just WUMming or spinning a narrative against the action fans took on Wednesday, then there's no point wasting time debating with you.
Mate, suggesting that Colin bloody Savage is trying to stop or decry City fans protesting is some form of bizarre reality that I can't even fathom exists. He helped invent City fans protesting.
 
Nonsense... the club are to blame. The vast majority of fans are happy that City have worldwide support.

What City fans want is for the club to stop pricing us out (yes, US, including our fans from all over the world who are impacted by the club's ticketing policies).
I disagree, its fucking tourist this, fucking tourist that, that fuels it on match days.
 
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I’ve been hesitant to jump into this conversation for the past few day, as I am an international fan who’s had his season ticket for just over 10 years now. I make it to 6–10 games a season, and when I’m not able to attend, I pass my ticket on to friends, family, or fellow Blues. I spend thousands every year just to be part of it: flights, accommodation etc. Lately, I’ve started asking myself... am I a genuine City fan or just a well-off tourist?

Still, I think I should weigh in, not to divide, but to offer a different view.

On Season Tickets: City already issue a huge number of season ticket (37,000-40,000) which is one of the highest in the league in terms of percentage of stadium capacity (nearly 75%). I understand the desire to pass it down to kids, but with growing families, it’s mathematically impossible to meet everyone’s expectations. No club can offer generational passes for all. There will always be hard choices.

On Ticket Prices: I absolutely support the sentiment that football should be affordable, but let’s keep the comparisons honest. People bring up Liverpool’s matchday prices, and yes, they have some cheaper seats. But nearly all of the “big six” charge more for season tickets than City. Are we saying we want to follow that model? Charge more over the year, but reduce individual matchday tickets? We can’t cherry-pick only the bits that suit the argument.

More importantly, from a financial standpoint, matchday revenue makes up only 10–13% of City’s total turnover, and that figure has remained fairly consistent over the years. The vast majority of revenue comes from broadcasting and commercial partnerships. So, the idea that keeping ticket prices affordable would somehow destabilize the club just doesn’t hold up. There’s absolutely room to ease the burden on fans, especially locals who’ve carried the club for decades, without harming City’s financial health.

On Global Fans and City’s Growth: City is not just a local club anymore, we’re a global powerhouse, and that brings responsibility. There are international fans who dream of attending one match in their lives, let alone a few a season. Are we now saying that locals should have exclusive rights to every match at the expense of the limited opportunities of that wider community?

That wider community is not just sentimental, it’s strategic. City’s commercial revenue now represents the largest chunk of its income. And that revenue comes, in no small part, from being a global brand. If international fans feel excluded that commercial success may not be sustainable. Global visibility and engagement help drive sponsorships, merchandise sales, and brand appeal. There has to be a balance, not a wall.

On 3rd Party Ticket Sites: Yes, there are tickets floating around on resale platforms. But we’re talking a few hundred, maybe a thousand tops. That’s not what's breaking the matchday atmosphere. I am not endorsing prices on those platforms one bit, and part of the blame maybe should lay on those season ticket holders who resell them there, but maybe that limited availability helps someone fulfil their dream of watching City once in their life.

City’s fanbase is evolving, that’s the reality of success. We need open, honest conversations that include all perspectives, not just those from a particular postcode. Local fans are the heartbeat of the club, that’s never in doubt. But the global fans? We’re part of the body too. And we care, deeply.
 
The team from the wrong end of the East Lancs Rd may charge less for their tickets but they should do. Their ground/seating/concourse etc is a midden compared to ours. Our seats are comfortable and leg room and space reasonable. Our concourse is clean, tidy and welcoming. The surroundings are safe and well maintained.
And I speak/write as one who has been in both ends home and away (yes I’m guilty of being in the home end at Anfield, hang me now!) plus the seat I had in the home end was just across the aisle from their VIPs.
So, without trying to be disruptive, I wouldn’t compare their prices to ours. Sorry. :-)
 
I’ve been hesitant to jump into this conversation for the past few day, as I am an international fan who’s had his season ticket for just over 10 years now. I make it to 6–10 games a season, and when I’m not able to attend, I pass my ticket on to friends, family, or fellow Blues. I spend thousands every year just to be part of it: flights, accommodation etc. Lately, I’ve started asking myself... am I a genuine City fan or just a well-off tourist?

Still, I think I should weigh in, not to divide, but to offer a different view.

On Season Tickets: City already issue a huge number of season ticket (37,000-40,000) which is one of the highest in the league in terms of percentage of stadium capacity (nearly 75%). I understand the desire to pass it down to kids, but with growing families, it’s mathematically impossible to meet everyone’s expectations. No club can offer generational passes for all. There will always be hard choices.

On Ticket Prices: I absolutely support the sentiment that football should be affordable, but let’s keep the comparisons honest. People bring up Liverpool’s matchday prices, and yes, they have some cheaper seats. But nearly all of the “big six” charge more for season tickets than City. Are we saying we want to follow that model? Charge more over the year, but reduce individual matchday tickets? We can’t cherry-pick only the bits that suit the argument.

More importantly, from a financial standpoint, matchday revenue makes up only 10–13% of City’s total turnover, and that figure has remained fairly consistent over the years. The vast majority of revenue comes from broadcasting and commercial partnerships. So, the idea that keeping ticket prices affordable would somehow destabilize the club just doesn’t hold up. There’s absolutely room to ease the burden on fans, especially locals who’ve carried the club for decades, without harming City’s financial health.

On Global Fans and City’s Growth: City is not just a local club anymore, we’re a global powerhouse, and that brings responsibility. There are international fans who dream of attending one match in their lives, let alone a few a season. Are we now saying that locals should have exclusive rights to every match at the expense of the limited opportunities of that wider community?

That wider community is not just sentimental, it’s strategic. City’s commercial revenue now represents the largest chunk of its income. And that revenue comes, in no small part, from being a global brand. If international fans feel excluded that commercial success may not be sustainable. Global visibility and engagement help drive sponsorships, merchandise sales, and brand appeal. There has to be a balance, not a wall.

On 3rd Party Ticket Sites: Yes, there are tickets floating around on resale platforms. But we’re talking a few hundred, maybe a thousand tops. That’s not what's breaking the matchday atmosphere. I am not endorsing prices on those platforms one bit, and part of the blame maybe should lay on those season ticket holders who resell them there, but maybe that limited availability helps someone fulfil their dream of watching City once in their life.

City’s fanbase is evolving, that’s the reality of success. We need open, honest conversations that include all perspectives, not just those from a particular postcode. Local fans are the heartbeat of the club, that’s never in doubt. But the global fans? We’re part of the body too. And we care, deeply.
Superbly thought out. Agree totally. We do need some perspective on the issue.
 

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