President Trump

normskih said:
I know, but I still have to listen to him! I can’t even bring myself to switch off when he’s on telly. I have to listen and watch. It’s madness. I need help.
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Mesmerising if you start to listen to one of his rants his audience of top bankers/businessmen stand expressionless to attention, they know it’s all fabricated lies but dare not say so. I’m waiting for one of them to say “liar”
 
normskih said:
I know, but I still have to listen to him! I can’t even bring myself to switch off when he’s on telly. I have to listen and watch. It’s madness. I need help.
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You do.

I’ve completely turned off from it as it’s become a matter of how much can Trump takeover the 24 hr media headlines.

Nice to get an update on here though, I prefer the opinion on bullshit, more than the bullshit itself.
 
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Literally what in the fuck has he done for his 'base' in the first few months in terms of helping them. Absoltuely sweet fuck all, he's just caused chaos and hardship. It's an absolute joke.
 
The perfect fumble said:
This is the progressive liberal view of multiculturalism and it's been taken as read in the UK since the war, for two reasons. The first being that the two great wars of the early 20th Century had at their root ethnonationalism, the same could be said of what's happening in Ukraine now, the Balkan wars, tribal wars in Africa and so on, ethonationalism is seen by progressives as a scourge and multiculturalism is its cure, but this has happened very rapidly. If you were able to travel back to any time before say 1950 and talked about multiculturalism with a bloke in the pub anywhere in the UK, people would have thought you'd gone bonkers, particularly as they'd just finished fighting a war to preserve this island race.

The second reason is labour, folk from the ex colonies here, the gastarbeiter in Germany and so on were all needed for post war construction and once you're hooked on cheap labour or skilled labour on demand trained at someone else's expense there's no going back, despite what the Brexiteers might say.

So here we are, as Farage says no one asked the British people about this and while he's wrong about almost everything he's not wrong about that, as for....

"The UK has always been a product of multiculturalism, it's been shaped by centuries of migration and cultural exchange. The national identity has never been fixed, it evolves through diversity."

That is the off the shelf reply and liberals applaud it every time it's wheeled out, but it’s simply not true, at least not in the way you frame it. The UK for much of its existence has been a mixture of Anglo Saxons, Normans, Celts, Danes and so on, but we’re talking tiny population flows by post war standards. Prior to the Second World War the ethnic and cultural changes in the UK were on a glacial scale compared to the numbers and rapidity we see today, that is simply a fact, by stating “The national identity has never been fixed, it evolves through diversity” it does not, it evolves through integration, and that's true everywhere, go ask the Hutu and the Tutsi about a national identity evolving through diversity, stay closer to home and go to the old Lancashire mill towns, go to Bradford and tell me how diversity there is forging a new national identity.

Diversity does not, in of itself create a strong national identity, if anything quite the opposite, homogeneous societies have the strongest national identities and on the whole they're the most stable and harmonious societies.

Put simply there can be no evolution of our national identity without integration, and there can be no integration without something to integrate with. A strong national identity, albeit of a particular kind, is prerequisite to a stable and functioning multicultural society, but in Britain we've failed to identify a distinct national notion of belonging. A cohesive notion of a multicultural society cannot be based simply on the idea that we should respect other people's values. It also requires a positive articulation of the values underpinning such as society.

The key word here is "cohesive". Forget slogans like "diversity is our strength" coz without a strong glue it does precisely the opposite.
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It seems like there’s been a misunderstanding of both what I actually said and what multiculturalism is. I’m genuinely struggling to follow parts of your argument, as it appears based on a definition of multiculturalism that I don’t recognise.

What I described isn't a liberal viewpoint, it’s a historically and socially accurate one. Multiculturalism, properly understood, is about people from different backgrounds bringing aspects of their culture with them and integrating into a shared, evolving national identity. Diversity and integration are not opposites, integration is how diversity contributes to the ongoing development of national identity.

You seem to be framing multiculturalism as if it's the opposite of integration, that multicultural societies are just fragmented collections of people who don't engage with each other or the country they live in. That’s not accurate. The reality is that migrants and minority communities are often deeply invested in the country they moved to, contributing economically, socially, culturally, and often showing stronger attachment to national values than the broader population.

You mentioned examples like Bradford and even the Hutu and Tutsi, but those don’t disprove multiculturalism. Bradford’s challenges are more about deprivation, policy failure, and lack of opportunity. The Rwandan genocide has absolutely nothing to do with multiculturalism.

Homogeneity doesn’t guarantee harmony, what does is the presence of strong institutions, inclusive civic values, and social trust. Countries like New Zealand and Canada both diverse and multicultural, are consistently among the most stable and peaceful. The key is cohesion, and cohesion comes from shared purpose, not shared ethnicity.

The UKs national identity has never been fixed it has always changed over time in response to historical events, industrialisation, war, and cultural shifts. Multiculturalism simply acknowledges this reality and works to ensure that diverse contributions are recognised, valued, and included in the national narrative.

And this is where I think one of the biggest contrasts lies between the UK and the US. The UK, for all its challenges, at least acknowledges that national identity is something that shifts and evolves. The US, on the other hand, often clings to a mythologised version of itself, a singular, fixed identity rooted in values and imagery that never truly reflected its full population. That refusal to acknowledge change creates far more tension than the change itself ever could and which Trump exploits.
 
Scoobz3 said:
We have had these campaigns (buy British) in the past backed by huge TV spend and they failed. With even less British things to buy and media being even more expensive and fragmented now, we would probably be better off doing nothing !
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It's not a 'Buy Canadian' effort Scoobz3, it's 'DON'T BUY AMERICAN'.

We are a huge consumer of American products, but now Canadians are really pissed with the way the US has tried to bully and demean us.

Many consumers will look at two products, one from Mexico or Peru etc and the other from the US and they will choose the Mexico or Peru. A small thing for the individual in a grocery store, but multiply that up and it will hit the American producers hard.

The US enjoy a massive tourist industry with Canadians going south for the winter or on vacation, billions of dollars, but many are cutting their stay short or choosing other countries for their holidays.

Wines and spirits come onto the shelves in Ontario via the LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario) and they stripped the shelves of American wines and spirits. We are not a minority market for companies like Jack Daniels and many others, so the loss of that production will hurt them and we can source elsewhere.

Life may well be comfortable to those supporting Trump, but let's see what the feeling is when they lose their jobs and homes, due to his wild and vindictive policies.

I'm not a strong supporter of these mass organizations, because they don't often work, but Trump has pissed off the Canadians so much that this has gained a strong foothold.

The US as a nation may be more bigley than Canada and it's military more biglier, but the attitude is, 'bring it on' and the ice hockey term, 'elbows up' seems to be the rousing anthem. There will be pain in this country as a result of tariffs and reciprocal tariffs, but the general feeling is people want the government to fight back and not be bullied by some guy threatening the sovereignty of our country.

Overall we've always had a great relationship with the US, but the damage done by this guy in just a few weeks will take years to repair, especially with this new world order that seems to be developing.
 
give it to gordon said:
I have never been to America never intend going you can shove Disneyland up your arse.

How can a country like America be so badly run ? The choice was trump or some bloke who couldn't remember his name until he got replaced.

I know it's unreasonable but I wouldn't trust any American, I hate seeing tesla cars being driven by middle class twats in this country !
I hate the American ownership of pl clubs and their fucking whitch hunt against our club.

Why do Americans think the rest of the world should live to their fucking rules ? Why ? I don't fucking get their Billy big bollocks attitude to the rest of the world.

Americans think Hollywood only make documentaries, that America won WW11 on its own. Fuck me the film about the Great Escape in real life there wasn't one American in that camp !

I'm getting sick to death of this fucking orange prick and his knobhead supporters

I darent even look at my pension
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Good ranting.
 
BobKowalski said:
To be fair, to preserve this ‘island race’ we had West Indians, Canadians, Indians - over 2.5 Indian million troops by 1945 and around 120,000 Gurkhas who served.

Pretty decent of them to chip in to save our rainy island :)
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I think the Indian army was the biggest volunteer force ever raised. Their main purpose was to keep the Japanese out.
 
Karma = Trump being taken out by one of the Jan 6 thugs he's pardoned...
 
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