President Trump

Need to start taking bets on how long until the riots start. It really puts into perspective just how good Obama was. Tariffs are a good thing when used sensibly!!!!
 
moomba said:
Did I say that?



You don't need a UK Doge to make targeted researched and planned savings and reductions in waste.



Who is saying you shouldn't ask questions?
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You do need something like DOGE because nobody can expect institutions to self-police because how could they? They don't have the time or resources and they're usually handed short-term targets which can only be met with cuts. They certainly aren't given the resources to find better ways of doing things.

I travel to Germany and their infrastructure, healthcare, transport... Everything is great and they don't have a massive national debt like we have. It isn't like they spend more because they spend around the same as a percentage of GDP. Meanwhile it's literally the third world in northern towns in the UK. Birmingham city council in the news has a £4bn budget and they can't even afford to pay the bin men.

I can understand the austerity argument some make. Restrained spending has caused problems but how has our national debt reached record levels without also being coupled to record spending? We're borrowing record amounts and spending record amounts and yet everything is on its arse so where is it going?

Nobody will study this in detail at the level of the civil service because such a department does not exist. So if there are better ways of working and doing things then well nobody knows that they exist.

Anyway apologies this is off topic.
 
KS55 said:
Bradford’s challenge includes a section of society that approves of domestic terrorism. There’s no getting away from that and it is not a tiny group.
There is another group whose attitude to women is antediluvian.
Their youth have a slogan: “Every hole is a goal.”
Pretending otherwise is dishonest but Ann Cryer (MP for Keighley) found her own agent calling her racist for recognising these problems.
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I can't locate any credible evidence that a significant portion of Bradford supports domestic terrorism.

The phrase you quoted “Every hole is a goal.” isn’t unique to any one group or culture. Variations of it have circulated among young men across all demographics for decades. It reflects a broader issue of misogyny that cuts across class, ethnicity, and background.

Of course there are real challenges in parts of Bradford, and across the country that deserve attention. But those problems don’t arise because people come from different cultural backgrounds. These types of issues arise when inequality, poor policy, weak institutions, and lack of meaningful engagement allow toxic ideas to take hold in any community, not just minority ones. Would we blame the existence of far-right extremism in white-majority areas as proof that monoculture is broken? We’d never accept that kind of sweeping generalisation and we shouldn’t apply it here either.

These problems need serious responses, but let’s be careful not to confuse them with the concept of multiculturalism itself. Doing so risks fuelling division rather than solving anything.
 
ROCKET80 said:
I can't locate any credible evidence that a significant portion of Bradford supports domestic terrorism.

The phrase you quoted “Every hole is a goal.” isn’t unique to any one group or culture. Variations of it have circulated among young men across all demographics for decades. It reflects a broader issue of misogyny that cuts across class, ethnicity, and background.

Of course there are real challenges in parts of Bradford, and across the country that deserve attention. But those problems don’t arise because people come from different cultural backgrounds. These types of issues arise when inequality, poor policy, weak institutions, and lack of meaningful engagement allow toxic ideas to take hold in any community, not just minority ones. Would we blame the existence of far-right extremism in white-majority areas as proof that monoculture is broken? We’d never accept that kind of sweeping generalisation and we shouldn’t apply it here either.

These problems need serious responses, but let’s be careful not to confuse them with the concept of multiculturalism itself. Doing so risks fuelling division rather than solving anything.
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“Those problems don’t arise because people come from different cultural backgrounds”
Prevent are wasting their time then, targeting particular groups from different cultural backgrounds. They have the evidence you couldn’t find.
You won’t solve anything burying your head in-the sand and denying reality. This approach has been widely discredited, including as it does such as attacks on Ann Cryer and police looking the other way to avoid being called racist.
I’m out of this discussion now. Serious discussion is indeed warranted, why don’t you try it?
Start a thread if you’re really interested as this is off topic.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
Hegseth - " I am a drunkard who believes the ramblings of a daft old **** who misplaced his trust in me and so I believe he can magic stuff up that no-one else can see because it isn't there"

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It's good to see that even morons are talking about Overton windows these days, not just intellectuals or pseudo-intellectuals. Equality for all!
 
KS55 said:
“Those problems don’t arise because people come from different cultural backgrounds”
Prevent are wasting their time then, targeting particular groups from different cultural backgrounds. They have the evidence you couldn’t find.
You won’t solve anything burying your head in-the sand and denying reality. This approach has been widely discredited, including as it does such as attacks on Ann Cryer and police looking the other way to avoid being called racist.
I’m out of this discussion now. Serious discussion is indeed warranted, why don’t you try it?
Start a thread if you’re really interested as this is off topic.
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From what I understand of Prevent and its work, their presence in certain communities isn’t evidence of widespread support for domestic terrorism or high uptake of extremist ideology. It reflects where there may be vulnerabilities or risk factors, not cultural causation. They also work in white, non-migrant communities due to the rise in extremism, which shows these issues are not tied to any one background.

You’ve said “this approach has been widely discredited” but it’s not clear what approach you’re referring to.

I was on topic, you shifted the discussion away from what it was originally about (the meaning of multiculturalism, how national identity evolves, and how figures like Trump exploit cultural anxiety and nostalgia for political gain) to focus on Bradford and, I assume, institutional failings around grooming scandals.

Asking for a serious discussion and ending with a snide remark is rather ironic, isn’t it? It appears from your comments and tone that perhaps you’re the one burying your head in the sand and denying the reality that these issues are far more complex than simply pointing the finger at one community or culture.

Anyway, back to the topic, Trump is a man so unfit for high office, the country had to lower its standards to meet him.
 
inbetween said:
You do need something like DOGE because nobody can expect institutions to self-police because how could they? They don't have the time or resources and they're usually handed short-term targets which can only be met with cuts. They certainly aren't given the resources to find better ways of doing things.
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Goes back to my first point. You absolutely don't need someone like DOGE.

It doesn't mean that you don't manage your money well. It doesn't mean you don't look for waste and inefficiencies. There are plenty of ways to do that in a planned, measured, targeted way. Most people would support that.

DOGE haven't done things in a planned, measured, targeted way. And they'll have moved on when the consequences of those cuts are felt.
 
A relatively restrained friend of mine - killing time by explaining tariffs on Truth Social - elicited this surprisingly well-considered response from one of MAGA's finest:

"Joe Biden I know this is you cause this sounds like something you would say now shut the fuck up and stay out of my life Joe Biden I've had all I want of you and all your cronies and especially that bitch Jill that was it enough to talk you into being a so-called president of the United States for four years.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So-called 'president'? More like so-called 'United'.
 
noseve said:
A relatively restrained friend of mine - killing time by explaining tariffs on Truth Social - elicited this surprisingly well-considered response from one of MAGA's finest:

"Joe Biden I know this is you cause this sounds like something you would say now shut the fuck up and stay out of my life Joe Biden I've had all I want of you and all your cronies and especially that bitch Jill that was it enough to talk you into being a so-called president of the United States for four years.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So-called 'president'? More like so-called 'United'.
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I've never been on Trump social but I imagine it's mind blowing, like the match thread on steroids; with even the craziest posters on here looking like Bertrand Russell in comparison.
 
Just watched a TikTok of someone going through the cunts merchandise in Trump tower and yep, you guessed it, everything made in China or Bangladesh etc.
 
threespires said:
I've never been on Trump social but I imagine it's mind blowing, like the match thread on steroids; with even the craziest posters on here looking like Bertrand Russell in comparison.
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I've visited twice - once to post something as an experiment (I'm not proud of it, but it was slightly inflammatory), to see whether I could garner any response at all, then the next day to check for what I thought would be a stream of insults.

Not one single reply - a microcosm of the US today. MAGA are impossible to engage in any type of meaningful discussion. If they don't like it, they simply move on until they find something that agrees with what they've been 'taught' by their glorious leader.

A bit of advice - any of you who still have hope, DO NOT VISIT Truth Social. It's sickening.
 
It's all the fault of those chickens.

If only they worked harder and laid more eggs. But of course they won't because they are illegal immigrants that Biden allowed into the US

Left wing Commie chickens.
 
ROCKET80 said:
Of course there are real challenges in parts of Bradford, and across the country that deserve attention. But those problems don’t arise because people come from different cultural backgrounds. These types of issues arise when inequality, poor policy, weak institutions, and lack of meaningful engagement allow toxic ideas to take hold in any community, not just minority ones. Would we blame the existence of far-right extremism in white-majority areas as proof that monoculture is broken? We’d never accept that kind of sweeping generalisation and we shouldn’t apply it here either.
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The only way this paragraph makes sense is if the issues we have today existed when we did have a monoculture.

When you state....

"These types of issues arise when inequality, poor policy, weak institutions, and lack of meaningful engagement allow toxic ideas to take hold in any community, not just minority ones."

That is simply not true, the worst racism I've come across is in leafy suburbia. I grew up in a terrace slum in predominantly white Salford in the 60s', it was grindingly poor, toilet out the back, no bathroom, but apart from petty theft there was no random violence or vandalism to speak of. Misogyny and wife beating existed that's for sure, but extremist groups? Toxic politics? there were none, zero, ziltch.

And you wouldn't have found the things you described in the poor communities of the Welsh valleys either.

The left view is that the "problems" are solely down to immigrant groups finding themselves in these deprived areas scrabbling for the same scarce resources as the majority poor white population, and the whites getting played to vent their resentment away from the real oppressor class, the rich, and instead onto these newcomers, but that's not how it was, and that's not how it is. If you're white working class and you haven't got a pot to piss in, only a tiny fraction of your fellow whites are going to blame the black family down the road who've just moved into the same kind of shit hole you live in.

Your post is the same patronising progressive nonsense that all nice liberal folk roll out every time, and while I consider myself a nice liberal bloke, I've realised over time that it's simply bollocks.

There are some problems that exist solely because people come from different cultural backgrounds and it has nothing to do with inequality, it has to do with multiculturalism itself, diversity is not our strength, admitting that is the case is not racism, but it is the first step in finding ways to build a more cohesive national identity that we can all buy into in order to build a happier more harmonious society

The left has a habit of wanting something to be true and then constructing a bogus oppressor/oppressed rationale to back it up, which is what you've just done. All that does is leave a gaping hole that the far right fills with hate.
 
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Whilst my American counterparts looked on as their pensions were shredded, Trump first imposed huge tariffs on most countries.
Then after the stock markets plummeted he posted 'This is a great time to buy'.
Very shortly after he put the tariff on hold and the stock market soared.

As a result Charles Shwab made $2.5 billion pounds.
If you hadn't guessed Shwab is a mate of Trump.

I'll never see a million in my life never mind 2.5 billion in a morning.

If the rednecks, fuckwits, nazis and racists cannot see he is only doing these things for his mates they deserve him.
The rest of the world does not.
 
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