The Labour Government

threespires said:
I get that people think Starmer is doing insufficient/not trying at all to arrest the increasing inequalities in society and so some have given up on him and this incarnation of Labour.

What I don't get is why they might consider voting Reform as a way of addressing the situation. History and the formbook would suggest that Reform would make things significantly worse either through incompetence policy or both.

It's like saying my hand is being held on a hotplate so I'm going to free my hand but then I'm going to slap my entire tackle on said hotplate.

Even if you do hold the view that immigration is a problem it's a million miles from being the main issue this country faces. It's like someone is attacking you with a chainsaw but you decide you're going to focus instead on the bloke who's annoying you by tickling your foot with a feather.

Anyone who wants to vote for Reform as a howl of impotent rage is obviously entitled to but they should do so on the basis that it might feel good for a moment or two but you/we end up in an even worse place than we are now. I guess there are possibly some people who think the chaos they would bring about would ultimately cause some sort of later reset but that strikes me as setting fire to yourself in the hope that it turns out you are in fact part human/part phoenix.

I think if you've had enough of the mainstream political parties, a view I have significant sympathy with, there's a few things you can do to feel less powerless:

Join a local organisation aimed at helping people who are struggling from all sorts of perspectives.
Join one of the various campaign groups for electoral reform.
Sit at home on your sofa crafting voodoo dolls of the government and opposition if you must.

In fact do anything other than the self-harm of voting for Reform.
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This is the pertinent thing that won’t get answered on here.

It’s not a thread to debate political agenda, it’s a thread to confirm peoples’ bias on all sides and get nobody anywhere.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Starmer is a millions miles away from the populist mysoginistic racist facist fuckwits that are Trump and Farage.
Sorting out the NHS and Train disputes that were ongoing for years and years, increasing minimum wage, reforming workers rights are proof of that.
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People who think Starmer is the same as the tories sound just like the people who thought Biden was as bad as trump and are now surprised Trump is pulling down the world economy for his own personal gain and ego.
 
domalino said:
People who think Starmer is the same as the tories sound just like the people who thought Biden was as bad as trump and are now surprised Trump is pulling down the world economy for his own personal gain and ego.
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The one contrast is indeed Biden versus Trump but that's more because I think the highest offices are mostly incompetent because it's all just a stage show.

Biden wasn't really the running the show and that's why things worked irrespective of what he did or didn't do. Now Trump IS actually running the show and things are falling apart.

It's the same here where big government really doesn't do much. I've noticed no difference whatsoever since Starmer got in and they're nearly 1/5 into their term.
 
I find it bizarre how some of the Tory boy/ reform posters in here pretend so hard that they are neutrals or lifelong labour voters.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
This is the pertinent thing that won’t get answered on here.

It’s not a thread to debate political agenda, it’s a thread to confirm peoples’ bias on all sides and get nobody anywhere.
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There you go playing devil's advocate again. You have no well thought out opinion on anything, so decide to play devil’s advocate on every thread just to enflame rhetoric.
Do you ever actually post without having a dig at another poster?
 
hampshireblue said:
Good news this morning that the UK economy has generated over 200000 new jobs since November. Mentioned briefly on LBC but not a subject raised with the government minister on LBC by Nick Ferrari.
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Had a poke around on the internet this lunchtime and cant find any reference to the 200000 jobs since November. Would be nice to see some positive news.

This is the only article I can find today re jobs and its a 78k reduction :-(

Number of payrolled workers in UK fell by 78,000 ahead of budget tax rise https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/15/number-of-payrolled-workers-in-uk-falls-by-78000-as-pay-growth-stays-high?CMP=share_btn_url
 
Kompany Car said:
Had a poke around on the internet this lunchtime and cant find any reference to the 200000 jobs since November. Would be nice to see some positive news.

This is the only article I can find today re jobs and its a 78k reduction :-(

Number of payrolled workers in UK fell by 78,000 ahead of budget tax rise https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/15/number-of-payrolled-workers-in-uk-falls-by-78000-as-pay-growth-stays-high?CMP=share_btn_url
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It was in the piece he does with David Buick, the finance expert at around 0735. I too was confused at the later news. But as my Mrs pointed out, if someone retires or starts their own business they probably drop off the payroll.
 
Kompany Car said:
Had a poke around on the internet this lunchtime and cant find any reference to the 200000 jobs since November. Would be nice to see some positive news.

This is the only article I can find today re jobs and its a 78k reduction :-(

Number of payrolled workers in UK fell by 78,000 ahead of budget tax rise https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/15/number-of-payrolled-workers-in-uk-falls-by-78000-as-pay-growth-stays-high?CMP=share_btn_url
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The official stats are in the link below.

They have changed the way the stats are calculated/reweighted them etc., and, while there are nearly 680,000 more people employed than there were this time last year, it doesn't look like anything dramatic has happened.

At best, you could probably say that so far the apocalypse predicted due to the budget hasn't happened.

 
bluenova said:
The official stats are in the link below.

They have changed the way the stats are calculated/reweighted them etc., and, while there are nearly 680,000 more people employed than there were this time last year, it doesn't look like anything dramatic has happened.

At best, you could probably say that so far the apocalypse predicted due to the budget hasn't happened.

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Thanks for the link, interesting reading. It looks somehow we have been underestimating the UK population of workers by 484k.

Now maybe it’s me being naive but I honestly thought we would have accurate records of the number of potential working age people in the UK at any moment in time. Or certainly more accurate than within the nearest half million !

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