UK supreme court ruling on legal definition of a woman

[BobKowalski]

Common sense decision. Gender is determined by genetics and biology. There are only two options, depending on XX or XY chromosomes.

If trans had been ruled as women what would stop some bloke wandering into the female changing rooms?

Also how far down the rabbit hole would this lead - people wanting to identify as animals?

No reason why everyone shouldn’t still be respected and treated as you yourself want to be treated, just no need to turn people into something they’re not if it affects others.

There are more than two, apparently. Not an expert, so happy to be corrected.

‘In addition to the two main sex chromosome complements, XX and XY, sex chromosome dosage can also vary among individuals, including combinations such as XXY, XYY, XXX, and XO, with implications for cellular phenotype and brain structure’

Also physical characteristics develop before gender characteristics - basically if you develop male physical traits (external) you then get the ‘internal’ traits a couple of months afterward. Which is why there is sometimes a mismatch between physical makeup and mental makeup.

We’ve had trans people since the year dot and will continue to do so. Biology is a fickle mistress and indifferent to Court rulings irrespective of how they rule.

Live and let live, I say :)

 

[BobKowalski]

My daughters school have what is called two furys. They identify as cats, they are allowed to wear different uniform where as other kids are punished for slightest misdemeanours in uniform

When I was at school in the dim and distant past, we had whole classes where we pretended to be trees and one little girl insisted she was a Princess.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

My daughters school have what is called two furys. They identify as cats, they are allowed to wear different uniform where as other kids are punished for slightest misdemeanours in uniform

Same at my daughter’s school. Amazing it is actually tolerated and facilitated.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Biology is a fickle mistress and indifferent to Court rulings irrespective of how they rule.

I couldn't agree more...

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I suppose like disabled toilets, gender neutral toilets will gradually become more common and will eventually be mandated by planning regs.

Not in a million years. The % of the UK population with a disability is currently listed as 24% and, in many places, they get one toilet Trans women are less than 0.1% so having there own toilet space will not ever be a priority.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Common sense decision. Gender is determined by genetics and biology. There are only two options, depending on XX or XY chromosomes.

Except for the fact that 1 in 500 men don’t have XY chromosomes and many are entirely physiologically normative. What if I told you there are conditions that lead to men having XX chromosomes that have no idea because there is nothing a-typical about them? By your definition these otherwise entirely normal men are suddenly women now.

Whatever you think about this judgment it expressly says that it doesn’t present any opinion at all on biology. It presents a strictly legal view of what constitutes the definition of a woman under the legislation put forward under the Equality Act. The decision seems fairly sober, logical and non-sensationalist - unfortunately nobody will read it. All it is doing is reaffirming that those born female constitute their own protected class and are entitled to their own spaces. It doesn’t really provide any practical solutions on how trans people are expected to live their lives - they aren’t just going to disappear, though it’s clear their very existence will upset some people.

I see the thread has already descended into made up nonsense about cats again, which is always entirely predictable and a bit boring at this point - but it’s not at all controversial to say that physiological traits will always defy people’s attempts to neatly categorise everybody into binary buckets based on overly simplistic criteria like “chromosomes”. The real world just isn’t that simple.

 

[BobKowalski]

I couldn't agree more...

Les Dawson wasn’t a trans woman. Your unfortunate error is somewhat revealing.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Les Dawson wasn’t a trans woman. Your unfortunate error is somewhat revealing.

He wasn't a woman either and he knew it.

Talking of revealing can you reveal what autogynephilia is?

 

[Pedestrian]

Who gives a fuck if bill wants to put on a dress and call himself Krystal.

 

[Elbow beards]

Who gives a fuck if bill wants to put on a dress and call himself Krystal.

Bill's wife

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Is this too simplistic to say..... if you have a penis use the mens, if you have a vagina use women's. It seems to me to be the obvious answer but I might be missing a point here.

 

[Pedestrian]

Bill's wife

Bills not married. This is a nothing debate jumped on by the same cunts that find division exciting.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Thank god we have BobKowalski and SkyBlueFlux educating the simpletons on here.

 

[mosssideblue]

I've seen a few incidents whereby women have been complaining about men using the urinals and leaving the door open etc....

And the seat up!

 

[bluethrunthru]

Is this too simplistic to say..... if you have a penis use the mens, if you have a vagina use women's. It seems to me to be the obvious answer but I might be missing a point here.

if it was just about bogs then its easily broken down like that but this goes way, way beyond toilet. The easily outraged get whipped up by those who's agenda is to distract people from the real issues in their lives. Neighbour on one side of you who has 4 kids dumped by her husband and having to use food banks - neighbour other side of you worried sick about their up coming PIP claim? Then get JK Rowling to get you angry about 1% of the population and all the world's ills magically disappear ...........

 

[blueinsa]

Thank god we have BobKowalski educating the simpletons on here.

Here come the oh so very clever and smart adults….

 

[Pedestrian]

if it was just about bogs then its easily broken down like that but this goes way, way beyond toilet. The easily outraged get whipped up by those who's agenda is to distract people from the real issues in their lives. Neighbour on one side of you who has 4 kids dumped by her husband and having to use food banks - neighbour other side of you worried sick about their up coming PIP claim? Then get JK Rowling to get you angry about 1% of the population and all the world's ills magically disappear ...........

This all day. This thread is full of the same right wing cunts who love Boris and defend trump. It’s all about division.

 

[bluethrunthru]

This all day. This thread is full of the same right wing cunts who love Boris and defend trump. It’s all about division.

as people consider the impacts of the ruling those divisionists will already be casting the net looking for the next thing to use. TBH I am amazed we haven't had Badenoch and Braverman giving their approval to the whole thing

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Who gives a fuck if bill wants to put on a dress and call himself Krystal.

No one unless he wants to go for a piss/dump in the ladies, then the ladies get upset apparently

 

[The perfect fumble]

if it was just about bogs then its easily broken down like that but this goes way, way beyond toilet. The easily outraged get whipped up by those who's agenda is to distract people from the real issues in their lives. Neighbour on one side of you who has 4 kids dumped by her husband and having to use food banks - neighbour other side of you worried sick about their up coming PIP claim? Then get JK Rowling to get you angry about 1% of the population and all the world's ills magically disappear ...........

You're something else.

You're not an idiot so you're obviously peddling this stuff quite deliberately.

I replied to your previous post, answer it or at least respond to it, coz this constant repetition of off the shelf guff is tiring and frankly not worthy of you.