Thats the point in which the parents should rally together share their views then approach the school to discuss - I am certain something can be worked out such as a separate changing facility (small room somewhere ) where the tans person can change alone without bothering the rest of the class.
I don't think any sane people have a problem with live and let live but you always need legalities in life. I don't care how people dress, what they call themselves or even what gender they want to call themselves. Unfortunately though the sex they were born is what they are. We can all wish to be something else but that doesn't mean everyone else is under any obligation to recognise it .
If that’s the Fife issue then it’s absolute nonsense. I can’t believe people give a fuck. If sue puts on some pants and wants to suffer the blokes toilets for a shite no fucker would care. No different the other way.It’s an actual issue as there have been a host of legal judgments concerning people suffering detriment for holding gender critical views. There’s a Scottish nurse facing ruin right now in fact
There has been no transphobia in this thread.Just want to express my support and solidrity with trans and gender non conforming people in light of the cruel and continuing hostility they're facing.
I know there are people on this forum who have people close to them who are impacted by this news too so I hope they're all feeling OK.
I'd also issue a plea to the mods to simply lock this thread if they don't have the time or energy to moderate it. There just isn't any point in mentioning transphobia in the forum rules when it quickly starts to run rampant in threads like this.
You clearly don't have all your ducks in a row. This guy is firmly in your camp, as you're in desperate need of some meat on the bone go gorge yourself....if it was just about bogs then its easily broken down like that but this goes way, way beyond toilet. The easily outraged get whipped up by those who's agenda is to distract people from the real issues in their lives. Neighbour on one side of you who has 4 kids dumped by her husband and having to use food banks - neighbour other side of you worried sick about their up coming PIP claim? Then get JK Rowling to get you angry about 1% of the population and all the world's ills magically disappear ...........
You do know real Women don't want "trans women" anywhere near Female sports don't you?
Good to hear Kaz, take care.I am doing better bit by bit , thank you for asking x
There hasn't.There has been no transphobia in this thread.
There has been no transphobia in this thread.
We do disagree and that's fine but that's all it is, a disagreement.We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
I think regardless of one's views on how we discuss the differences between sex and gender, we should still be able to talk about trans people in a way that affords them compassion and dignity. I think it's sorely lacking in a lot of the posts on this thread and a few people are showing themselves up for the kind of people they really are.
Exactly. If someone wants to dress up in women's clothes, put make up on then that's up to them if it makes them feel better. However, no amount of a bloke doing this, taking drugs, surgery or changing their name will ever make them anything but a man in my eyes and in reality. They as I say dress how they want but don't expect me to believe or call them a man. That's not being transphobic, that is just being realistic.
This is, thankfully, illegal in the United Kingdom. And that should never be changed.Two points to be made here
If a boy has hormone blockers and so dont go through puberty means they have no more strength or testorone than women born as women , they are on oestrogen and those who have gender reasignment have their bits removed that produce male hormones and that renders them as female as women born as women
Transwomen have been competing for years and very few have won gold medals so they do not have a big advantage do they
It is incredibly nuanced and not the click bait headlines that it is made out to be
Transwomen using disabled toilets is not the answer , they are not disabled and a disabled person needs to have access to them. Where are all the massive cases of trans attacking females in toilets ? Just one or two high profile cases and they were men pretending to be women
I need a lie down
I'm sure you are well aware of the Sutton Utd Vs Ebbsfleet cancellation? You are aware that the FA are now sending observer's to women's games where trans are playing to make sure the real women are safe? There's been numerous situations where women have refused to play against trans opponents and been abused for their actions?Sorry, but you just can't make blanket statements like this. Anecdotally you might know people who share your attitudes but you do not speak for all women and you shouldn't need to pretend to if you genuinely believe in what you're saying.
I am what you would call a "real woman" by your definition and transgender women are very much welcome around female sports in my view. I work in events around women's football and our audience is completely behind the inclusion and participation of trans women in women's sport.
Tbf it's taken 16 pages for the well-meaning calls for the mods to shut down the thread so people are not exposed to views they don't like.Phobia used to mean an irrational or extreme fear of something, its now used by fucknuts who don't like people with a different point of view and cannot argue their stance with sound opinion and logic.
The issue isn't just around toilets but it is used as a very quick and easy way to explain an issue. That also makes it flawed as it lacks anything like the nuance required to understand the issue. There are plenty of smart thinkers around this issue that don't just use the toilet argument. Sacrificing the rights of women to solve this issue is the wrong approach to take and I actually don't think much practically will change based on what I've read. There won't be signs being put up outside ladies toilets saying "no dogs, no Irish, no trans".As someone on the opposite side of this, I really just want to know... What are transgender women expected to do now? I hear so much from gender critical people that trans women shouldn't be allowed in women's single sex spaces. Okay, fine. But... where are they supposed to go? The ruling has been made so I want answers now.
The obvious response is "the correct dressing rooms/toilets", etc.
But if the argument from gender critical people is that men are inherently violent creatures who can't be controlled, then how does the world become a safer place by telling (as gender critical people see it) effeminate men to go into a men's changing room? Surely that just makes that person a target for violence from their own sex?
I really am willing to listen because I feel like I've never had an answer, and the lack of answers just makes me think that the end goal among gender critical types is for transgender women to not exist at all.
Here we go again.We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
I think regardless of one's views on how we discuss the differences between sex and gender, we should still be able to talk about trans people in a way that affords them compassion and dignity. I think it's sorely lacking in a lot of the posts on this thread and a few people are showing themselves up for the kind of people they really are.
The gents in the Conti club were unisex back in the day.Unisex toilets, I've been in bars in town with them and there doesn't seem to be a problem.
No one! But when Bill demands that everyone else calls him Krystal or else they are committing a hate crime and that he should be allowed to change and walk around naked in the same dressing room as your 14 year old daughter, Crystal, and her youth volleyball team. Suddenly, it stops being about Bill and his personal preferences.Who gives a fuck if bill wants to put on a dress and call himself Krystal.