UK supreme court ruling on legal definition of a woman

meltonblue said:
Because the protected characteristic is still there, so a woman transitioning to be a man for example
is now both protected by the characteristics of sex and also gender reassignment. That can still create huge problems for the same groups that brought the challenge today.

It also means other definitions need further clarity too as they weren’t part of the remit. It’s still a minefield at the mo, and I’m really not sure how they’re going to draft new legislation or definitions to accommodate for it.
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The EA will need to be amended to replace gendered language with biological language I’d expect. Which would be a good thing. It was badly drafted legislation.

In any event, regardless of protected characteristics, the ruling clarified that single sex spaces are protected to people born of a particular sex, as was already the interpretation of the EHRC (the statutory body already identified to interpret and supply guidance on the relevant statute). Not much changes, just puts legal arguments beyond doubt.

Practically it’s all a minefield for sure
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
It’s a resource which is a direct extract from the text. The census of who was living in the relevant place. Anyway, you be you mate
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i don't disagree that it is a valuable resource, mate.
of course it is,
but it is not a direct extract from the original text.

if you can give me one single latin quote from the original text that uses the equivalent of woman i swear i will meet you in town with my humblest apologies and buy you a slap-up meal.

all translations are motivated one way or another.

for example.
there are loads of nutjobs who spend their entire lives focusing on the hidden meanings of the wordage of the holy bible.
but the bible wasn't written in english,
so none of the points they make are real.

you may think i'm being a tosser,
and most likely, to an extent, i am,
the fact remains the domesday book was written in latin,
and within it there are no mentions of what we now call women.
 
calumdown said:
i don't disagree that it is a valuable resource, mate.
of course it is,
but it is not a direct extract from the original text.

if you can give me one single latin quote from the original text that uses the equivalent of woman i swear i will meet you in town with my humblest apologies and buy you a slap-up meal.

all translations are motivated one way or another.

for example.
there are loads of nutjobs who spend their entire lives focusing on the hidden meanings of the wordage of the holy bible.
but the bible wasn't written in english,
so none of the points they make are real.

you may think i'm being a tosser,
and most likely, to an extent, i am,
the fact remains the domesday book was written in latin,
and within it there are no mentions of what we now call women.
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It’s the national archives mate….

Anyway we don’t agree
 
Mon Autre said:
We weren't arguing about that though were we. We were arguing about your made up statistics around how women, and specifically elite sportswomen, feel on the matter. And your blanket statements were clearly incorrect.
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Here’s an article which gives a flavour of views and why some might not be open expressing what they think publicly

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Elite British Sportswomen's Study 2024: Athletes on ‘difficult’ transgender debate

More than 100 elite British sportswomen tell the BBC they would be uncomfortable with transgender women competing in female categories in their sport.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Here’s an article which gives a flavour of views and why some might not be open expressing what they think publicly

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Elite British Sportswomen's Study 2024: Athletes on ‘difficult’ transgender debate

More than 100 elite British sportswomen tell the BBC they would be uncomfortable with transgender women competing in female categories in their sport.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Like the article says, it cuts both ways. People receive abuse whichever way they land on it.
 
meltonblue said:
Because the protected characteristic is still there, so a woman transitioning to be a man for example
is now both protected by the characteristics of sex and also gender reassignment. That can still create huge problems for the same groups that brought the challenge today.

It also means other definitions need further clarity too as they weren’t part of the remit. It’s still a minefield at the mo, and I’m really not sure how they’re going to draft new legislation or definitions to accommodate for it.
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Let’s be honest, we should respect every person and who they want to be. That is supported by law.

What we get is people or outlets using this as division, attacking one or the other.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Let’s be honest, we should respect every person and who they want to be. That is supported by law.

What we get is people or outlets using this as division, attacking one or the other.
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Completely agree and empathy is in short supply, when the opposite is what’s really needed. The reason this particular issue is so complex is it crosses rights of two groups with protected characteristics and there’s still no easy answer though.
 
I am transgender. I first realised that something was ‘wrong’ when I was 6 or 7. But I hid it from everyone because I believed that even my close family would reject me if they found out.


I struggled with it my entire life. I would have given anything not to be this way. I hated and despised myself all my life.
I could not have an intimate relationship with anyone because I could never be myself with another person. I never had real friends because my life was a lie, I was not the person they thought I was.

Transitioning and living as a woman was my worst nightmare. It would be the end of life as I knew it. I was convinced I would lose my family and what little friendship I had with people.

Unfortunately, you can only fight it for so long before it becomes impossible to go on. I went ahead and made the change. Suicide was a serious option because the alternative was so terrifying. I did not think I would have the strength to tell everyone the truth about myself and start living as a woman. I found the courage to do it by telling myself that I could always kill myself if it became too terrible. There were many times in the first couple of years that I almost reached that point. The three people that carried me through were all women. I would not be here today without their love and support. None of them were family members although my family were generally supportive.

I would never do anything to make women uncomfortable or afraid. I believe that is true of the vast majority of transwomen.

The ruling today scares me. I had genital surgery nine years ago. I do not have male genitalia. I can be raped in the same way that a biological woman can be raped yet I may find myself having to share male facilities. I undertand the anxiety that having someone who was born male in a female space can cause. I am terrified of being the female in an all male space.

Trans people are not monsters. We did not arrive from space in the last few years, we just became more visible. Trans people have always been here and always will be no matter how many laws are passed against us. We have no choice. We are what we are.

I am not a sexual predator or rapist. I am just another human being like all of you. I want to live my life in peace. I deserve to do that just as much as each of you do.
 
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