Everton (A) - Sat 19th April, 15:00 | PL | Pre-Match Thread

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Newman Noggs said:
Surely it has something to do with tactics. Teams study and practice all week for the opposition so will start doing that with the fittest players for each position in the hope that, barring injuries, it can be tweaked later in the game depending on how it is going.

You wouldn't start with someone who might only manage 20 minutes and then have to revise your whole game strategy.
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Fair enough - there are like-for-like replacements to whom this argument wouldn't apply, though.

The 20 minutes timescale was just an off the top of my head, worst-case scenario - that's the point I was clumsily trying to make. You might just find that the recovering player is good for 45, 60 or even the whole match. In that case, afterwards you'd be much better informed than just having seen him trot around for a few minutes at the end of the game.

Just different opinions, that's all
 
noseve said:
Anybody fit for the bench is fit to start, imho.

I do not understand why a player who is not considered good for 90 minutes always has to come off the bench?

Start with Bobb, then when he's shot, whip him off. That way you also have an idea of how long he can last, at that point. He'll also be getting the maximum game time and match fitness.

I mean, what did we really learn from the few minutes against Palace, other than (thank goodness) he's still a precocious talent, who's happy to show it?
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We've had plenty of players on the bench who weren't fit enough for 90 minutes at the same time as starting players who aren't fully fit. We've literally had no choice.

Players minutes and fitness are very carefully tracked nowadays. If we started Bobb and gave him 20 minutes (determined by the medics as an ideal number of minutes in his rehabilitation) before subbing him that would use up a sub option for later in the match. If he didn't start and another player had to come off early doors then we need someone who can last longer in that particular position (or move people around). If there was another forced sub early on, the options from the bench that suit the team and the particular needs of the game drastically reduce the chance of him getting on at all. If he'd started, we could be even more hamstrung (lol) in how to manage the game.

Put another way, I'd trust Pep and the rest of the team to know what they're doing over some random poster on the internet ;)
 
Will be a tough game this but I’d like to see Moyes’s record against Pep - has he ever won? And have any of the games ever been close?

Despite that, Goodison will be rocking - 3pm near the end of its last season - so will be tough.
 
Centurions said:
Put another way, I'd trust Pep and the rest of the team to know what they're doing over some random poster on the internet ;)
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Was somebody asking you to choose between them, then? I missed that bit... :-)
 
noseve said:
Fair enough - there are like-for-like replacements to whom this argument wouldn't apply, though.

The 20 minutes timescale was just an off the top of my head, worst-case scenario - that's the point I was clumsily trying to make. You might just find that the recovering player is good for 45, 60 or even the whole match. In that case, afterwards you'd be much better informed than just having seen him trot around for a few minutes at the end of the game.

Just different opinions, that's all
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There's a lot of reasons why it makes more sense later in the game.

You have a better understanding of the flow of game, so whether to risk including a player who isn't match fit or not. The last thing you want is for someone to have to risk their fitness because the game is still in balance.

Usually you get more time on the ball later in the game, because the intensity has dropped slightly, useful for players who aren't match sharp and still rebuilding their confidence.

There's a whole sports science behind fitness and performance now, if you know the player can't perform at peak levels for more than...say half an hour, why start them?

Anyway, the guy has a long career ahead of him, no need to take risks and rush him back.
 
Centurions said:
We've had plenty of players on the bench who weren't fit enough for 90 minutes at the same time as starting players who aren't fully fit. We've literally had no choice.

Players minutes and fitness are very carefully tracked nowadays. If we started Bobb and gave him 20 minutes (determined by the medics as an ideal number of minutes in his rehabilitation) before subbing him that would use up a sub option for later in the match. If he didn't start and another player had to come off early doors then we need someone who can last longer in that particular position (or move people around). If there was another forced sub early on, the options from the bench that suit the team and the particular needs of the game drastically reduce the chance of him getting on at all. If he'd started, we could be even more hamstrung (lol) in how to manage the game.

Put another way, I'd trust Pep and the rest of the team to know what they're doing over some random poster on the internet ;)
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The general rule certainly before the 5 sub rule was that the intensity of a game starts to drop after an hour. A player coming back from a long injury is more able to gain a foothold when minds and limbs are starting to tire. One must not ignore the extent to which regaining confidence is important for a player after a long absence. Starting a game and getting withdrawn after 20 mins would almost certainly be judged by all concerned and the player as something of a setback.
However, I would stand up for the random poster in general as the injury situation at City this year does I think give rise to some valid questions regarding the overall fitness levels at the club.
To finish on a.positive note it looks like the Viking will return to action at the lower end of the estimates given for his time on the treatment table so somebody in the medical and fitness depth must be earning their crust.
 
skillman said:
Will be a tough game this but I’d like to see Moyes’s record against Pep - has he ever won? And have any of the games ever been close?

Despite that, Goodison will be rocking - 3pm near the end of its last season - so will be tough.
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P16 W0 D3 L13.

Only "win" was on penalties in the League Cup in 2021.

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Father Paul said:
The general rule certainly before the 5 sub rule was that the intensity of a game starts to drop after an hour. A player coming back from a long injury is more able to gain a foothold when minds and limbs are starting to tire. One must not ignore the extent to which regaining confidence is important for a player after a long absence. Starting a game and getting withdrawn after 20 mins would almost certainly be judged by all concerned and the player as something of a setback.
However, I would stand up for the random poster in general as the injury situation at City this year does I think give rise to some valid questions regarding the overall fitness levels at the club.
To finish on a.positive note it looks like the Viking will return to action at the lower end of the estimates given for his time on the treatment table so somebody in the medical and fitness depth must be earning their crust.
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We did have a few false dawns this season, with players perhaps being brought back too soon, but there's no way to know whether that has had any bearing on their subsequent long-term absences or not.

Generally, though, this season has shaken my faith in the efficiency of City's sport injury science (or whatever you want to call it).

Not an exact science, I appreciate.
 
Wirral Blue8 said:
What is the pub for City fans near to Goodison?
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The Stanley. ..only joking !!

We always used to start very early at ma Egerton's at lime street,nip over the road to Dixie Deans , then one just down from Dixie's, then taxi to The Elm Tree.....always home fans and City in the ET,never seen it kick off there ,not properly anyway ,lol

I've not been to goodison since David Silva days ,so I may be a bit out of date now......
 
Ederson out. Pep press conference.

Akanji and Foden traiining. On whether Akanji will be available. 'We will see'.

As usual garbage questions. Rest of press conference embargoed until 10.30pm
 
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I think we might be looking at May for Rodri Haaland Stones Ake and Ederson.

Not a bad 5 to return.

Ake and Rodri might be the last PL game!
 
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