UK supreme court ruling on legal definition of a woman

HelloCity said:
One thing I would comment on the supreme court decision is this...

These are the sexes and ages of the members of the supreme court:

Male, 68
Male, 71
Male, 73
Male, 70
Male, 63
Male, 67
Male, 67
Male, 68
Male, 70
Male, 73
Female, 65
Female, 61

You've basically got a bunch of OAP's (or near), mostly men, deciding on a subject like this. It feels to me that you'd need this decided by a more diverse line up of ages and sexes.
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Yeah let’s have some 25 year old judges on the Supreme Court, fresh out of university.
 
Mon Autre said:
And the peak level of irony at play here is the fact that JK Rowling has used her own riches to pay for her own gender affirming plastic surgery through the years. If you look at pictures of her from years ago she had exactly the type of facial structure that might attract some suspicious sideways glances in the bogs from her own nasty crowd. Perhaps she should crowdfund plastic surgery for cis women whose appearance offends her.
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I don't give a monkey's nuts whether she's grafted a shark fin to her back and a rhino horn to her head.

JK Rowling is a UK citizen resident in this country and pays her taxes here, she is a major donator to numerous charities.

Do you have any idea of the hundreds on millions she's donated and to where? If not, then stop fixating on her cheek bones and find out.

Google is your friend.
 
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Mon Autre said:
Ironically, what those women were celebrating was a ruling and a mindset that will barely impact trans women who "pass" but will absolutely invite more judgement and pressue on cis gendered women who are more "masculine" in their appearance. Trans women who look feminine will continue to use the toilets and changing rooms that they wish to unnoticed and unchallenged. Whereas cis women who don't look how these so-called feminists expect them to will now be more worried and face more scrutiny going bout their daily business. There is absolutely nothing liberating or protective about foisting gender essentialist expectations like this onto anybody.
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I thought I might have a stab at critiquing this, but then I thought f**k it!
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
It’s a made up prefix that’s always been used to diminish the distinction and importance of the female sex; to diminish the distinction of the half of homosapiens who go through menstruation, pregnancy, labour, breast feeding, menopause and the importance of all the other things in life that they solely experience as a sex. Because it makes up that other homosapiens have the right to also be called a women even though they never go through what women do.

It’s a dismissive and inhibiting three letter prefix; tiny in size but massive in its power over women, always used to show an attitude towards women as unworthy of being held in distinction.
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It's no coincidence that gender ideology has spawned an entirely new lexicon to encompass it. Because despite Stonewall and Mermaids boasting a trans history spanning thousand years, including such trans luminaries as Hatshepsut and Joan of Arc, it remained a mystery why it was only recently that anyone had bothered to write this stuff down.

And then they discovered the answer! They found to their dismay that transphobic English had whitewashed them out of history deliberately by wilfully not inventing the words to accommodate them.

Did you know that Anongender, a gender that is unknown to both yourself and others, does not appear anywhere in the Harry Potter books? And neither does Vocigender, a gender that is weak or hollow or Omnigender, the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand polygender.... I always suspected Ron Weasley of havinng that.

JK Rowling really is an arse.
 
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hilts said:
Haha meeeeooooow

I think generally its done to appear younger not more female doh! Cis again really?

The mask always slips eventually when people try to appear balanced and empathetic when they're not.
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You can pretend to take exception to the word "cis" if you want but it's a useful term/shorthand when you are differentiating between the different people involved in this conversation. Just easier than typing "assigned female at birth".

How has my mask slipped? Don't think I've said anything catty. All I'm saying is Rowling has been fortunate enough to have the wealth to alter her appearance as she pleases. Good for her. She did have a more traditionally masculine appearance previously. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Her more recent actions have 100% made other women who can't or don't want to alter their appearance that bit more vulnerable though. Nobody can deny that. I've seen a woman, a "real" woman, accosted in a toilet before by someone accusing her of being a man and it was horrible.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
As the women in this thread have told us. It’s not ‘cis’ women, it’s just women.
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As SOME women have told you. I am a woman in this thread, it's a term I find useful in conversations like this and I can use that terminology if I want to. And I haven't directly addressed anybody with that word who has asked not to be described as such.
 
Mon Autre said:
You can pretend to take exception to the word "cis" if you want but it's a useful term/shorthand when you are differentiating between the different people involved in this conversation. Just easier than typing "assigned female at birth".

How has my mask slipped? Don't think I've said anything catty. All I'm saying is Rowling has been fortunate enough to have the wealth to alter her appearance as she pleases. Good for her. She did have a more traditionally masculine appearance previously. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Her more recent actions have 100% made other women who can't or don't want to alter their appearance that bit more vulnerable though. Nobody can deny that. I've seen a woman, a "real" woman, accosted in a toilet before by someone accusing her of being a man and it was horrible.
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I once got twatted by a gang of hairy arsed blokes in a toilet in Bolton,for not being from Bolton.
 
Mon Autre said:
You can pretend to take exception to the word "cis" if you want but it's a useful term/shorthand when you are differentiating between the different people involved in this conversation. Just easier than typing "assigned female at birth".

How has my mask slipped? Don't think I've said anything catty. All I'm saying is Rowling has been fortunate enough to have the wealth to alter her appearance as she pleases. Good for her. She did have a more traditionally masculine appearance previously. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Her more recent actions have 100% made other women who can't or don't want to alter their appearance that bit more vulnerable though. Nobody can deny that. I've seen a woman, a "real" woman, accosted in a toilet before by someone accusing her of being a man and it was horrible.
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If someone says woman everyone knows and/or accepts what they are talking about except gender cult members. I don't accept your attempts and others to steal the word. Pick another one and stop boring the world with some quite ridiculous word play ideology.

Rowling has been the most prominent in applying common sense and defending women's rights. I simply believe you couldn't resist a dig and tis as simple as that.
 
The perfect fumble said:
It's no coincidence that gender ideology has spawned an entirely new lexicon to encompass it. Because despite Stonewall and Mermaids boasting a trans history spanning thousand years, including such trans luminaries as Hatshepshut and Joan of Arc, it remained a mystery why it was only recently that anyone had bothered to write this stuff down.

And then they discovered the answer! They found to their dismay that transphobic English had whitewashed them out of history deliberately by wilfully not inventing the words to accommodate them.

Did you know that Anongender, a gender that is unknown to both yourself and others, does not appear anywhere in the Harry Potter books? And neither does Vocigender, a gender that is weak or hollow or Omnigender, the feeling of having more than one simultaneous or fluctuating gender; simultaneous with multigenderand polygender.... I always suspected Ron Weasley of havinng that.

JK Rowling really is an arse.
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Hatshepsut. Just thought I would point it out as you are clever than me.
 
stonerblue said:
I once got twatted by a gang of hairy arsed blokes in a toilet in Bolton,for not being from Bolton.
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I have a transgender friend who came to a party of ours last week. She was born male, but now passes as a woman to the extent that a friend next day who didn't know her asked me who the tall good looking auburn haired lady was.

I'm no gender campaigner, I just think it's very sad to see people celebrating that someone like her should apparently be forced to use a toilet like the one you describe.

It seems like wanton cruelty.

[None of this aimed at you, your post just made me think of my friend]
 
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