Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

bluethrunthru said:
If the argument ref free prescriptions driving an entitlement culture should extend to free education as a comparison. I Scotland Uni is free for Scottish people in England we pay fees yet there is double %age take up of a Uni education in fee paying England than there is in free Scotland. If the case held water surely near 100% Scottish people would be at University because they are entitled to because its free?
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Well it's certainly a tenuous link with free prescriptions. I suspect many become "ineligible" as they don't have the grades to get in. For others, having an apprenticeship, job or simply no desire to continue full time education for another 3 years are all factors.

Clearly not ALL are driven by free prescriptions but personal expersience suggests it does occur. I'm pretty sure the neighbour previously referred to wouldn't be paying another £9.90 for a box of painkillers of which he has a cupboard full, until he absolutely had to.
 
Their supporters are well organised and they have a good ground game.

The left should take note of how they are using Social media to reach the people feeling abandoned by labour/tories.

The Greens have clicked to this, but is it to late to counter?
 
TinFoilHat said:
Their supporters are well organised and they have a good ground game.

The left should take note of how they are using Social media to reach the people feeling abandoned by labour/tories.

The Greens have clicked to this, but is it to late to counter?
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Absolutely this. People keep pointing out their unsuitability to govern (which is fair enough), but they are likely to fight the next ge on the basis of a single issue like immigration or just not being labour - pretty much the flip side of starmers 2024 campaign which was based on just not being Tory.
 
hampshireblue said:
Clearly not ALL are driven by free prescriptions but personal expersience suggests it does occur. I'm pretty sure the neighbour previously referred to wouldn't be paying another £9.90 for a box of painkillers of which he has a cupboard full, until he absolutely had to.
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It's the competency of those developing and implementing the policy of "free meds" that needs to be considered here.

If done correctly it would work well, but when there are no controls, checks or balances in place, then like in walks of life there will be people who will exploit it and yes you are entitled to call that entitlement if you think that's correct, but I would advise you it is not everybody and thats why better management, that isn't forthcoming from the Welsh Labour Government, is absolutely essential.

BTW I am content that you describe me (assuming you mean me) as a future Reform voter, but the correct interpretation would be "a protest voter who is loaning his vote to Reform". But if makes you feel more in control by being so judgmental then carry on, your opinion, like mine means fuck all in the whole scheme of things.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Their supporters are well organised and they have a good ground game.

The left should take note of how they are using Social media to reach the people feeling abandoned by labour/tories.

The Greens have clicked to this, but is it to late to counter?
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To me it's more like.....

The Labour Party like Manchester United are the gift that keeps giving. They should be concentrating on serving the needs of the people who voted for them as opposed to trying to appease the wealthy and well to do people and the cost of the less well off.

Sort that out and I'm certain less people would be inclined to lend their votes to Reform.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
It's the competency of those developing and implementing the policy of "free meds" that needs to be considered here.

If done correctly it would work well, but when there are no controls, checks or balances in place, then like in walks of life there will be people who will exploit it and yes you are entitled to call that entitlement if you think that's correct, but I would advise you it is not everybody and thats why better management, that isn't forthcoming from the Welsh Labour Government, is absolutely essential.

BTW I am content that you describe me (assuming you mean me) as a future Reform voter, but the correct interpretation would be "a protest voter who is loaning his vote to Reform". But if makes you feel more in control by being so judgmental then carry on, your opinion, like mine means fuck all in the whole scheme of things.
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Wow. If you bothered to read my responses, I openly admit it is not all who do this. What you claimed to be the only success of Labour, you are now criticising for lack of oversight.

You have openly admitted you are voting Reform, ergo you are a Reform voter for now. What you haven't made clear is once you've helped to oust Labour, which party you want in power bearing in mind you also want widespread nationalisation of many industries. It's all very contradictory. Don't get touchy about "control and being judgemental". That's all in your head, but I am still intrigued as to how you are trying to put a massive square in a tiny round hole.
 
BBC, SKY and obviously GBN have spent the last month simply promoting Reform - trying to outdo each other - their R/W editors know that the Tories are a busted flush so they have moved to Reform such is the fear of Labour, LD and Green Party successes
 
BigJoe#1 said:
To me it's more like.....

The Labour Party like Manchester United are the gift that keeps giving. They should be concentrating on serving the needs of the people who voted for them as opposed to trying to appease the wealthy and well to do people and the cost of the less well off.

Sort that out and I'm certain less people would be inclined to lend their votes to Reform.
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People are voting Reform because they dont like immigrants, immigrations, faces of colour, change, MSM, forigners, europeans especially the french and germans, and dont like Labour communism. There are a few other things in the mix, but it certainly isnt because of the economy or education or policing for ex.

Thats my experience anyway. I understand its not across the board but on the whole thats about it.

There are a very low percentage who are driven by tactical voting such as yourself, but on the whole thats what I see, people who dislike things. My brother is one of them, he is voting Reform because the Conservatives (Although they used to give him what he wants - less paki's) they are led by someone who is not quite the right person. So he will vote Reform. I think Conservatives lost him ages ago. Nowhere else to go.
 
hampshireblue said:
Wow. If you bothered to read my responses, I openly admit it is not all who do this. What you claimed to be the only success of Labour, you are now criticising for lack of oversight.

You have openly admitted you are voting Reform, ergo you are a Reform voter for now. What you haven't made clear is once you've helped to oust Labour, which party you want in power bearing in mind you also want widespread nationalisation of many industries. It's all very contradictory. Don't get touchy about "control and being judgemental". That's all in your head, but I am still intrigued as to how you are trying to put a massive square in a tiny round hole.
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I am happy to admit that free NHS prescriptions are a good thing and well done Welsh Labour for bringing it in. I think there is clear and good evidence that it hasn't been implemented very well... Ill thought through just like most other government policies - Labour and Tory.

Regarding who do I want in and the fitting a massive square in a tiny round hole - not that it would fully satisfy mine and/or anyone elses ideals, but I think proportional representation is the only way forward.

Sadly my political beliefs are neither right nor left wing and I do feel sorry for anyone who is tethered to either ideal.... it just cannot be right.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I am happy to admit that free NHS prescriptions are a good thing and well done Welsh Labour for bringing it in. I think there is clear and good evidence that it hasn't been implemented very well... Ill thought through just like most other government policies - Labour and Tory.

Regarding who do I want in and the fitting a massive square in a tiny round hole - not that it would fully satisfy mine and/or anyone elses ideals, but I think proportional representation is the only way forward.

Sadly my political beliefs are neither right nor left wing and I do feel sorry for anyone who is tethered to either ideal.... it just cannot be right.
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You are a right wing reform loving nationalist.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I am happy to admit that free NHS prescriptions are a good thing and well done Welsh Labour for bringing it in. I think there is clear and good evidence that it hasn't been implemented very well... Ill thought through just like most other government policies - Labour and Tory.

Regarding who do I want in and the fitting a massive square in a tiny round hole - not that it would fully satisfy mine and/or anyone elses ideals, but I think proportional representation is the only way forward.

Sadly my political beliefs are neither right nor left wing and I do feel sorry for anyone who is tethered to either ideal.... it just cannot be right.
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I do agree on PR. It worked(just) in a 2/3 party system but will clearly not be fit for purpose as more parties become involved.
 
bluethrunthru said:
You mean WUM
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What? You mean having an alternative viewpoint to you makes me a WUM.... fair enough.

No I don't like the Labour Government, they are not socialists in any way shape or form they're just well not even Tory Lite, they're just Tories. and no I don't like the Tories either, they're a party that's in it for themselves and it's shameful, but unlike Labour at least they don't pretend to be something they're not.

Tories are straightforward robbing cunts....

Labour are lying cheating robbing cunts...

A hairs breadth between them.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
What? You mean having an alternative viewpoint to you makes me a WUM.... fair enough.

No I don't like the Labour Government, they are not socialists in any way shape or form they're just well not even Tory Lite, they're just Tories. and no I don't like the Tories either, they're a party that's in it for themselves and it's shameful, but unlike Labour at least they don't pretend to be something they're not.

Tories are straightforward robbing cunts....

Labour are lying cheating robbing cunts...

A hairs breadth between them.
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Why then did Labour come in and stop the NHS/Junior doctors strikes when Tories were letting them continue ?

Why did Labour come in and stop the Train strikes when Tories would have let them continue ?

Why did Labour scrap the Tory Rwanda scheme ?

Why are Labour deporting far more illegal migrants than the Tories have done ?

Why have Labour reformed the workers rights bills ?

Why are Labour taxing corporations higher and for instance inheritance tax on the wealthiest farmers?

Many other clear changes.

You many not be a WUM just a boring thick Reform voter.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
What? You mean having an alternative viewpoint to you makes me a WUM.... fair enough.

No I don't like the Labour Government, they are not socialists in any way shape or form they're just well not even Tory Lite, they're just Tories. and no I don't like the Tories either, they're a party that's in it for themselves and it's shameful, but unlike Labour at least they don't pretend to be something they're not.

Tories are straightforward robbing cunts....

Labour are lying cheating robbing cunts...

A hairs breadth between them.
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Farage is a liar but you're prepard to vote for his party. and beliefs, so lying isn't a barrier for you. Did you learn nothing in 2016?
Anderson went through 2 parties until he found one that would accept his racist views. And you're prepared to "lend" him and his beliefs your vote.
Were New Labour Socialist? no-did you vote for them?
By all means have an alternative view but, if nothing else, just abstain but don't give these RW racist bastards any more of your time thinking they're "for" the man in the street, the likes of you and me. Do some research on how much Farage made when the £ tanked after the Brexit vote and tell us he's interested in anything other than himself and his cronies.
 
hampshireblue said:


Is anyone seriously still prepared to give their support, even if it's only a protest vote to the likes of Anderson and what he stands for? They are a bunch of opportunistic areseholes.
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It’s very worrying and I’m really not sure the best approach to engage with someone willing to vote reform, and neither are either of the main parties.

It’s a whole new world.
 
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