Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

cheddar404 said:
That's all very nice but his arm was behind him so wouldn't even be visible on that graphic. What the hell was he suppised to do? Have no arms? I've just watched it again and it looks less of a pen every time I watch it.
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In front, behind, at side is irrelevant he made his body naturally bigger

What was he suppose to do? Tuck them in then he wouldn't have interfered with the trajectory of the the ball.

You should watch it with knowledge of the law and guidance given in the Laws of the Game see below

Handling the ball

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of

the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a

player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the

hand/arm towards the ball

• touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body

unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body

unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence

of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By

having their hand/arm in such a position, the player
 
cheddar404 said:
Well yes, I totally agree with that but just because one ridiculous one given in the past, doesn't mean it should be the standard. Plus, hasn't the threshold for handball been increased since then?
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But why is the threshold increased on it being handball for a defender, stopping a goal. But if it brushes the strikers fingernail in the build up it is ruled out?
 
Its been glossed over because we scored from the resulting corner , but it was a handball by any metric, its inarguable, his arm was in an entirely unatural position, he made his frame bigger and stopped the ball from going in, the argument should be whether he should have been sent off or not, not whether it was a pen, the ref and var have had a shocker AGAIN
 
mancboy said:
Its been glossed over because we scored from the resulting corner , but it was a handball by any metric, its inarguable, his arm was in an entirely unatural position, he made his frame bigger and stopped the ball from going in, the argument should be whether he should have been sent off or not, not whether it was a pen, the ref and var have had a shocker AGAIN
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Exactly. Had we lost the game or the result of not giving the penalty had a direct effect on the game then there would rightly so be uproar about it, one of the most blatant handballs I’ve ever seen.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
But why is the threshold increased on it being handball for a defender, stopping a goal. But if it brushes the strikers fingernail in the build up it is ruled out?
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I don't know. I don't make the rules. I know as a defender, I would be apoplectic if that had neen given against me because when you're launching your body like that, you can't completely control where your arms go and he's done pretty much as well as he could and the ball struck the hand that was behind him. The only solution is to have no arms; forget about what you've seen on a slow motion replay. I don't know what this obsession is for wanting penalties given in matches as if they're anything like as entertaining as a proper goal.
 
cheddar404 said:
I don't know. I don't make the rules. I know as a defender, I would be apoplectic if that had neen given against me because when you're launching your body like that, you can't completely control where your arms go and he's done pretty much as well as he could and the ball struck the hand that was behind him. The only solution is to have no arms; forget about what you've seen on a slow motion replay. I don't know what this obsession is for wanting penalties given in matches as if they're anything like as entertaining as a proper goal.
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Obsession for wanting a penalty if somebody has used their arm to stop the ball going in the net. Is that more entertaining than a goal? A defender keeping it out with their hand/arm? Common sense is judging them individually, where the ball is, where the ball is going and the impact it has had on stopping a goal. The same way they rule a goal out for the slightest "handball" in the build up to goals.
 
cheddar404 said:
I don't know. I don't make the rules. I know as a defender, I would be apoplectic if that had neen given against me because when you're launching your body like that, you can't completely control where your arms go and he's done pretty much as well as he could and the ball struck the hand that was behind him. The only solution is to have no arms; forget about what you've seen on a slow motion replay. I don't know what this obsession is for wanting penalties given in matches as if they're anything like as entertaining as a proper goal.
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Don’t be ridiculous, he used his hand to stop the ball going in. It’s up the defender to try & get his arms out of the way & If it didn’t hit him it was a goal. Now the bar should be higher if point blank or off target but his instinct was to make himself bigger to stop the ball.
 
cheekybids said:
Don’t be ridiculous, he used his hand to stop the ball going in. It’s up the defender to try & get his arms out of the way & If it didn’t hit him it was a goal. Now the bar should be higher if point blank or off target but his instinct was to make himself bigger to stop the ball.
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He didn't use his hand. His hand was just there. You said it yourself; it hit him. I thought he did try to keep his arms out of the way and that's why they were behind him. How is he supposed to move to block the ball and keep his arm perfectly against the side of his body? It's impossible even to run like that, let alone try and launch yourself to block a shot.
 
cheddar404 said:
He didn't use his hand. His hand was just there. You said it yourself; it hit him. I thought he did try to keep his arms out of the way and that's why they were behind him. How is he supposed to move to block the ball and keep his arm perfectly against the side of his body? It's impossible even to run like that, let alone try and launch yourself to block a shot.
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If an attacking player uses his hands in the build up to a goal the goal is disallowed, whether deliberate or not.

Whether he meant to use his hand or not it’s in an unnatural position and has changed the trajectory of the ball and prevented a certain goal.

In the same sense whether he meant it or not should be inconsequential, as with an attacking player, who would have the goal ruled out.
He has changed the flight of the ball with his hand.
It should have been a penalty.
The defending team should not be able to gain an advantage (deliberately or not) by using their hand. Especially when it’s not at point blank range.
 
cheekybids said:
Don’t be ridiculous, he used his hand to stop the ball going in. It’s up the defender to try & get his arms out of the way & If it didn’t hit him it was a goal. Now the bar should be higher if point blank or off target but his instinct was to make himself bigger to stop the ball.
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He actually used both hands I think, not just the one. For me it’s a nailed on penalty as if it does not hit his hands it’s a goal. Also having them behind your back is not a natural position!
 
Micky Blue said:
If an attacking player uses his hands in the build up to a goal the goal is disallowed, whether deliberate or not.

Whether he meant to use his hand or not it’s in an unnatural position and has changed the trajectory of the ball and prevented a certain goal.

In the same sense whether he meant it or not should be inconsequential, as with an attacking player, who would have the goal ruled out.
He has changed the flight of the ball with his hand.
It should have been a penalty.
The defending team should not be able to gain an advantage (deliberately or not) by using their hand. Especially when it’s not at point blank range.
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The law is different though for a defender. Whether its inconsequential to you or not doesnt matter. Whether it should be different for a Defender compared to an attacker is a whole new conversation. However, for a Defender currently, this is what IFAB say,
 

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thegoatsthegoat said:
Obsession for wanting a penalty if somebody has used their arm to stop the ball going in the net. Is that more entertaining than a goal? A defender keeping it out with their hand/arm? Common sense is judging them individually, where the ball is, where the ball is going and the impact it has had on stopping a goal. The same way they rule a goal out for the slightest "handball" in the build up to goals.
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Any fkr in red gets given it That’s what I don’t like
 
Gordyola said:
From Laws of the Game

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You don't have to have played the game ( plenty play it and still don't fully understand LoG ) to understand that it was a stone wall pen in real time as already alluded to his action slowed the ball and aided the GK to make the save
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This diagram doesn’t help where, as here, the defender is not facing the ball but his body is at 90degrees to the direction the ball is coming from. Does that not make his body bigger?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Because the handball rules have been re-written to simplify VAR, not to make any sense?
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The cynic in me says it leaves things more open to interpretation - if we’d done that against the Rags you can be sure of two things - the whole commentary team would have been demanding a penalty and the ref would have been sent to the monitor.
 
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