Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

Hertzblue said:
As in ...
" Smash the Gangs"
"Fix the Foundations"
" Go Further, Faster"
"Stop the chaos"
" Turn the page"
Like those ?
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Did I specify who was making the silly 3 word slogans? Did I specify a Party? Or are you simply projecting? Simple people are everywhere as we can clearly see - thanks for your simple input
 
bluethrunthru said:
do @BigJoe#1 or @moggymoz know what Reform UK PLCs policies are on recycling, bin collections, SEND provision, fixing potholes, social care, planning reform and social services which are the things the local elections are about ?
All I have heard is stuff about small boats and getting rid of green technology which is national Govt policy
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I agree in principle. However I will be deserting my very decent and capable LibDem councillor on this occasion and voting Reform. Not because I believe their candidate will do a better job on the council, purely to put pressure on Starmer to move a further step to the right to counter the threat he perceives from Reform.
So fuck bins and potholes, do not underestimate how important these elections could be in setting the national agenda. A big night for Reform and a good number of Labour MPs will break rank, panic and dissent in the ranks will bring the chance of direction we need.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Did I specify who was making the silly 3 word slogans? Did I specify a Party? Or are you simply projecting? Simple people are everywhere as we can clearly see - thanks for your simple input
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lol....
But you like these ones don't you ?
Go on ..
You know you do ...
lol
 
hampshireblue said:
But you have said you are voting Reform specifically to get rid of Labour in WALES, who have been in power for 25 years. Now you're spouting on about Starmer and more national policies. Make your mind up who you've got a problem with. Nationally they inherited a shitshow and that is going to take more than one parliament to sort out and even then there will be loads of stuff that will still work on. But you must also be delighted with the possible nationalisation of some essential industries?

You may not like the fact that Reform and their supporters have got a racist stigma, but whilst not all Reform voters will be racist, all racists will vote Reform (if they vote).
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You really think Labour UK will be different to Labour in Wales? Dream on.

I have a problem with a spineless leader who just says whatever he thinks the audience he's talking to want to hear, you might think he's what we need, I don't. Yes he inherited a shit show, no doubt about it but I don't think he was elected to make the country even worse, you might think that to be impossible but that is what he is on course to do. J have no problem with people voting for them if that's what they the voters want to do. Their vote it's their choice.

Don't get hung up on the fact you think Labour UK will be different to Labour Wales.

What Labour should do is ask themselves.... why the fuck are so many millions of people walking away from us after such a short time in office, what are we doing that is so wrong, because like it or not, deny it if you must but that is exactly what people are doing, turning their backs on them and that speaks volumes.

Do you believe that a leader that says "We're going to smash the gangs" is not anti-immigration? As said previously which you chose no to comment on, If Farage had said this would you have been okay with that? I somehow think not. Yes, that is what Starmer said and yet where is this Border Force? People are entering this country illegally in greater numbers this year than ever before.

But the only question that should be being asked by people that support Labour instead of hurling insults, name calling and classifying people as political incompetents just because they happen to disagree with their own particular political view is: Why are people, in their millions, turning their back on Labour, because the fact is they are!
 
Hertzblue said:
I agree in principle. However I will be deserting my very decent and capable LibDem councillor on this occasion and voting Reform. Not because I believe their candidate will do a better job on the council, purely to put pressure on Starmer to move a further step to the right to counter the threat he perceives from Reform.
So fuck bins and potholes, do not underestimate how important these elections could be in setting the national agenda. A big night for Reform and a good number of Labour MPs will break rank, panic and dissent in the ranks will bring the chance of direction we need.
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The level of stupidity in this statement is off the bleeding chart. There is pond life with more self awareness than the contents of this post.
 
Hertzblue said:
Really ,
Please explain ?
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Other than to say, that refusing to vote for a capable and decent candidate who is doing (I presume) a good job locally and instead voting for someone who will not do as good a job is somewhat perverse.

Would you employ someone using this rationale? No. So, why would you want someone less capable running your local council?

Politics has a habit of turning rationale thought into mush. To be fair I’m not exempt from this thinking at times.
 
west didsblue said:
Finally seen the light and have decided not to vote for Reform?
Well done.
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No. Not voting for Starmer... but then you already knew that lol.

I mean he is a Racist ****... forming a Border Force to target and persecute all those innocent people that are providing a safe and secure taxi service to the UK for people who are fleeing the tyranny they face in France.... Shameful.

BTW where is the Border Force.... just askin'.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
No. Not voting for Starmer... but then you already knew that lol.

I mean he is a Racist ****... forming a Border Force to target and persecute all those innocent people that are providing a safe and secure taxi service to the UK for people who are fleeing the tyranny they face in France.... Shameful.

BTW where is the Border Force.... just askin'.
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Border force have little power beyond the obligation to ensure safe passage under echr.
Ultimately the dinghy's at Dover argument is a bit of a smokescreen. The numbers involved are tiny compared to legal immigration which has much more impact on UK demographics.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Border force have little power beyond the obligation to ensure safe passage under echr.
Ultimately the dinghy's at Dover argument is a bit of a smokescreen. The numbers involved are tiny compared to legal immigration which has much more impact on UK demographics.
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But..... but.... but.... Starmer said he was going to create this force to target and smash the gangs. What a racist **** he is.

I know the number crossing the channel is relatively small but that is no reason to sweep it under the carpet and not deal with it....? which is exactly what Starmer is doing, except he is arranging more and better accommodations.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
But..... but.... but.... Starmer said he was going to create this force to target and smash the gangs. What a racist **** he is.

I know the number crossing the channel is relatively small but that is no reason to sweep it under the carpet and not deal with it....? which is exactly what Starmer is doing, except he is arranging more and better accommodations.
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What should he do about it? I know Farage bangs on about the ECHR but human rights conventions actually also protect our human rights too as much as they may create a framework for asylum. At no point in history has a party gained so much support arguing for a reduction in human rights laws, it's a bit bizarre surely?

Do you really for example want the right to a fair trial, or the right to life thrown to the interpretation of politicians within Reform given the type of people that Reform attracts? History only warns us about this..

Should we also leave this convention to stop circa 35,000 people per year, a half full Etihad? It's excessive. It's certainly excessive when compared to the numbers that we have direct control over which are 2000% higher.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You really think Labour UK will be different to Labour in Wales? Dream on.

I have a problem with a spineless leader who just says whatever he thinks the audience he's talking to want to hear, you might think he's what we need, I don't. Yes he inherited a shit show, no doubt about it but I don't think he was elected to make the country even worse, you might think that to be impossible but that is what he is on course to do. J have no problem with people voting for them if that's what they the voters want to do. Their vote it's their choice.

Don't get hung up on the fact you think Labour UK will be different to Labour Wales.

What Labour should do is ask themselves.... why the fuck are so many millions of people walking away from us after such a short time in office, what are we doing that is so wrong, because like it or not, deny it if you must but that is exactly what people are doing, turning their backs on them and that speaks volumes.

Do you believe that a leader that says "We're going to smash the gangs" is not anti-immigration? As said previously which you chose no to comment on, If Farage had said this would you have been okay with that? I somehow think not. Yes, that is what Starmer said and yet where is this Border Force? People are entering this country illegally in greater numbers this year than ever before.

But the only question that should be being asked by people that support Labour instead of hurling insults, name calling and classifying people as political incompetents just because they happen to disagree with their own particular political view is: Why are people, in their millions, turning their back on Labour, because the fact is they are!
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You are one mixed up individual when it comes to your reasons for voting Reform. A few pages ago it was because Labour had to be got rid of in Wales and you gave some specific Welsh reasons why that was necessary in your opinion. You are now talking about your dissatisfaction on a national basis and have specifically hooked on the one thing that Reform can beat Labour with, albeit form a mainly racist starting point-remember Farage's poster on the day after Jo Cox was murdered?

Millions are apparently turning their backs on the main parties because once again the electorate are taken in by smooth talking grifters and nationalists whose policies are un achievable. I think it is now apparent that the UK is in a worse place than any of us really thought possible both locally and nationally. The success of the economy drives everything and with so much instability that is going to take some time to turn round. Unfortunately Labour tied their own hands by commintting to no tax rises with regards to NI, PAYE and VAT and are therefore relying on the economy growing. This now leads to some of the public, thinking that the grass will be greener with Reform, as they did with Farage and his cronies in 2016-well how has that turned out? I actually don't give a toss how you vote, but at least have a coherent argument why you are moving from one end of the spectrum to the other. Enjoy putting your X in the box tomorrow.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
No. Not voting for Starmer... but then you already knew that lol.

I mean he is a Racist ****... forming a Border Force to target and persecute all those innocent people that are providing a safe and secure taxi service to the UK for people who are fleeing the tyranny they face in France.... Shameful.

BTW where is the Border Force.... just askin'.
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Normally when deflecting to avoid responding to a point made, the deflection is vaguely relevant. You Reform voters are proving time and again that you’re not very bright.

Having said that I do believe Reform will do well in these local elections because there’s no shortage of knuckleheads who have been taken in by Social Media bullshit.

The USA is an example and a warning of what might eventually happen, and sadly we’ve got to fact up to the fact that something similar could happen here if morons continue to be taken in by populists promising simple solutions to complicated problems, and if they continue to believe blatant lies because they fit in with their own prejudices.
 
hampshireblue said:
You are one mixed up individual when it comes to your reasons for voting Reform. A few pages ago it was because Labour had to be got rid of in Wales and you gave some specific Welsh reasons why that was necessary in your opinion. You are now talking about your dissatisfaction on a national basis and have specifically hooked on the one thing that Reform can beat Labour with, albeit form a mainly racist starting point-remember Farage's poster on the day after Jo Cox was murdered?

Millions are apparently turning their backs on the main parties because once again the electorate are taken in by smooth talking grifters and nationalists whose policies are un achievable. I think it is now apparent that the UK is in a worse place than any of us really thought possible both locally and nationally. The success of the economy drives everything and with so much instability that is going to take some time to turn round. Unfortunately Labour tied their own hands by commintting to no tax rises with regards to NI, PAYE and VAT and are therefore relying on the economy growing. This now leads to some of the public, thinking that the grass will be greener with Reform, as they did with Farage and his cronies in 2016-well how has that turned out? I actually don't give a toss how you vote, but at least have a coherent argument why you are moving from one end of the spectrum to the other. Enjoy putting your X in the box tomorrow.
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No votes here in Wales.

You clearly have a problem understanding other peoples views, which is fine you are in very good company... and I include myself in that. Labour has ruined Wales on many levels and the country is now withering on the vine. For the record I have never supported Labour since I was a teenager when I never really fully understood politics, not that anyone can claim to ever fully understand politics. The current batch of politicians are pretty useless and robotic and don't do a very good job.

As I said previously todays Labour party needs to focus on what it is doing that inspires the electorate turn its back on them, an ideal opportunity for the "smooth talking grifters" to strike.

My argument for voting the way I will is to displace Labour in Wales. IF the Tories all of a sudden become popular and look like beating Labour, then that is where my vote will go. We have had enough of the Labour party here in Wales.... watch this space.

I'd like for my vote to count.... not much to ask for is it?
 
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