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west didsblue said:
Normally when deflecting to avoid responding to a point made, the deflection is vaguely relevant. You Reform voters are proving time and again that you’re not very bright.

Having said that I do believe Reform will do well in these local elections because there’s no shortage of knuckleheads who have been taken in by Social Media bullshit.

The USA is an example and a warning of what might eventually happen, and sadly we’ve got to fact up to the fact that something similar could happen here if morons continue to be taken in by populists promising simple solutions to complicated problems, and if they continue to believe blatant lies because they fit in with their own prejudices.
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Keep up the personal insults, it tells me a lot about you.

Keep on believing all the actual bullshit that Keir keeps on feeding you.

The sun is shining... have a nice day.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Keep up the personal insults, it tells me a lot about you.

Keep on believing all the actual bullshit that Keir keeps on feeding you.

The sun is shining... have a nice day.
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Did I mention Starmer?

Another deflection.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
But..... but.... but.... Starmer said he was going to create this force to target and smash the gangs. What a racist **** he is.

I know the number crossing the channel is relatively small but that is no reason to sweep it under the carpet and not deal with it....? which is exactly what Starmer is doing, except he is arranging more and better accommodations.
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Not sure you've noticed, but Starmer tends to say anything needed to get votes then changes his mind again once said votes are in the bag.
A bit cynical and basically shepherding in reform if he's not careful.
 
BobKowalski said:
Other than to say, that refusing to vote for a capable and decent candidate who is doing (I presume) a good job locally and instead voting for someone who will not do as good a job is somewhat perverse.

Would you employ someone using this rationale? No. So, why would you want someone less capable running your local council?

Politics has a habit of turning rationale thought into mush. To be fair I’m not exempt from this thinking at times.
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Thank you, its not that hard to be polite is it ?
Yes, it is peverse. I thought I kind of insinuated that by describing our Lib/Dem councillor in those terms, it would be a shame to lose him. However I would rather use my vote to rattle Starmer and push him further in my direction. Whilst I understand this is a local election, the reality is Starmer's direction of travel will actually have more impact on my life than anything my local councillor can influence.
You may not agree me with me, but there is no lack of self awareness on my part.
Tbh, I would be surprised if our local Lib/Dem loses in any event.
 
Hertzblue said:
I agree in principle. However I will be deserting my very decent and capable LibDem councillor on this occasion and voting Reform. Not because I believe their candidate will do a better job on the council, purely to put pressure on Starmer to move a further step to the right to counter the threat he perceives from Reform.
So fuck bins and potholes, do not underestimate how important these elections could be in setting the national agenda. A big night for Reform and a good number of Labour MPs will break rank, panic and dissent in the ranks will bring the chance of direction we need.
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Out of interest, what do you want Starmer to move further right on?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You really think Labour UK will be different to Labour in Wales? Dream on.

I have a problem with a spineless leader who just says whatever he thinks the audience he's talking to want to hear, you might think he's what we need, I don't. Yes he inherited a shit show, no doubt about it but I don't think he was elected to make the country even worse, you might think that to be impossible but that is what he is on course to do. J have no problem with people voting for them if that's what they the voters want to do. Their vote it's their choice.

Don't get hung up on the fact you think Labour UK will be different to Labour Wales.

What Labour should do is ask themselves.... why the fuck are so many millions of people walking away from us after such a short time in office, what are we doing that is so wrong, because like it or not, deny it if you must but that is exactly what people are doing, turning their backs on them and that speaks volumes.

Do you believe that a leader that says "We're going to smash the gangs" is not anti-immigration? As said previously which you chose no to comment on, If Farage had said this would you have been okay with that? I somehow think not. Yes, that is what Starmer said and yet where is this Border Force? People are entering this country illegally in greater numbers this year than ever before.

But the only question that should be being asked by people that support Labour instead of hurling insults, name calling and classifying people as political incompetents just because they happen to disagree with their own particular political view is: Why are people, in their millions, turning their back on Labour, because the fact is they are!
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I'm sure they are indeed asking that question but isn't this kind of thing common in local elections where the current party of government get a bit of a spanking but it ultimately bears next to no relevance when it comes to a General Election? I could've sworn the Tories in particular have gotten a few twattings down the years at local elections yet then gone on to win a GE at a canter

No doubt a few million people have been wooed by Reform for one reason or another but you need more - much more - than that to win a General Election. It's often said that if you win the middle ground, you win the General Election and however well - or not so well - we think the main parties are doing at the moment, I don't think there are enough people in that middle ground who would flip to Reform. It's just as likely that disenchanted Labour and Tory middle ground voters flip to the Lib Dems - who a lot of people seem to be forgetting even exist despite the fact that they have 72 sitting MPs - because many people are a bit more switched on than falling for the rhetoric coming from what is effectively a single policy party
 
hampshireblue said:
But you have said you are voting Reform specifically to get rid of Labour in WALES, who have been in power for 25 years. Now you're spouting on about Starmer and more national policies. Make your mind up who you've got a problem with. Nationally they inherited a shitshow and that is going to take more than one parliament to sort out and even then there will be loads of stuff that will still work on. But you must also be delighted with the possible nationalisation of some essential industries?

You may not like the fact that Reform and their supporters have got a racist stigma, but whilst not all Reform voters will be racist, all racists will vote Reform (if they vote).
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Yes one can't help being delighted about something that could possibly happen.

It's the pinnacle of joy.
 
meltonblue said:
Out of interest, what do you want Starmer to move further right on?
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Hi Melton,
Everything !
More seriously, there isn't much point in a wish list from me because it isn't going to happen. However what looks possible is that Starmer could be pushed further into the arms of Maurice Glasman and his Blue Labour faction.
Some of Starmer's recent utterances would indicate he is going that way. Now Starmer is the living antithesis of the type of leader / politician you would think Glasman would want but he is the one in position and having witnessed the duplicitous **** about turn on his views on gender ideology who know how far he could turn on everything else.
Blue Labour website, just have a look at the What is to be done section for a short read. If voting Reform today sends Starmer in that direction that would be progress.
Not that I would be rushing out to vote for them but at least there could be a political party in the UK that really put working people first.
 
Seems backstreet pubs are a good target area for this mob. Binned my third set of leaflets left on a table yesterday.

It'll be interesting to see turnout figures, these have like GE ones dropped through the floor.

If there's a significant increase then it's a time to start to worry but if it's just a shuffling of Tory's then it's just a temporary thing until they merge and move slightly more central or a more acceptable (I know) leader is put in place and the mugs all run back.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Party of working people

www.mirror.co.uk

Reform is party of the 'have yachts' as 'borders don't matter' for offshore cash

Reform UK Party Treasurer brags of fundraising on offshore yachts after a Mirror investigation revealed that three-quarters of the party's cash is linked to tax havens
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
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The Daily Mirror is a left leaning newspaper... did you really expect any other angle of reporting? A bit like sensationalising the number of migrants coming across the channel.

Pointless.
 
can anybody planning on voting Reform tell me their plans for local govt? What are they going to do with your bins? Are they going to increase car parking costs or make it free? Any clue on bus routes?

You can't run local service on a philosophy of racism and a policy on immigration the latter being for national government
 
bluethrunthru said:
can anybody planning on voting Reform tell me their plans for local govt? What are they going to do with your bins? Are they going to increase car parking costs or make it free? Any clue on bus routes?

You can't run local service on a philosophy of racism and a policy on immigration the latter being for national government
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You really are scared aren't you? Why the fuck are you concerning yourself and running around like a blue arsed fly about the way other people who you don't even know are voting? Just chill and enjoy the results...
 
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