The Anti Supporters Club

[mancityvstoke]

Equal rights and justice for middle aged, straight white men.
Stop the oppression.

any excuse to post this ......

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I am grateful for the work of KP and City Matters for their breakthrough on flexi-golds. Kevin’s work has been for all fans. The other fan groups were right to target the f-g set up fee.

Apologies for predicting this positive outcome.

 

[Chappie]

I am grateful for the work of KP and City Matters for their breakthrough on flexi-golds. Kevin’s work has been for all fans. The other fan groups were right to target the f-g set up fee.

Apologies for predicting this positive outcome

The changeses having nothing to do with KP or the majority of the City matters group.
This is all down to the 1894 group and few of the City matters group applying pressure to the club, through their protest at the Villa game and the adverse media attention this brought.
Couple this with the poor ticket sales for that match and the Wembley semi final and it appears that someone at the club has finally woken up and "smelt the coffee".

 

[Coatigan]

I've said no such thing. Stop Gaslighting.

I'm saying that there are more people to consider as "supporters" than the 30-40k that go through the gates on matchday and that what effects one, affects the other.

Until you see this, supporters groups etc, which are solely focused on local matters (as would seem to be the case to the outside observer) will remain exactly that, A local support group.
You give the club all the ammo they need to discount you.

I will tell you what has triggered this response from me.

One of the compalints the club has been given is that season tickets numbers have not been increased since 2020/1. I heard this and thought "Where the fuck are the new seats going to come from?" The obvious answer is that the supporters groups expect the club to REDUCE the ticket availability to other fans (Visitors).

That makes this exercise abit fucking duff imho. You either consider all or non.

I liked the (only) response i got to my earlier question by PB. I considered (or seemed to) all fans and was a holistic response.

I want the supporters groups to be holistic. Is this too much to ask?

I think you seem to be missing that a lot of this on season tickets revolves around or is at least triggered by the 8000 new seats coming in the north stand extension. Or rather the club's so far lack of public direction over their intentions. So the timing is actually pretty damn logical, and then the other long standing issues are coming to the fore along with that.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The changeses having nothing to do with KP or the majority of the City matters group.
This is all down to the 1894 group and few of the City matters group applying pressure to the club, through their protest at the Villa game and the adverse media attention this brought.
Couple this with the poor ticket sales for that match and the Wembley semi final and it appears that someone at the club has finally woken up and "smelt the coffee".

City Matters have negotiated these improvements mate. KP had teed up this agreement behind the scenes for all fans. Credit to to all the City Matters negotiators.

Credit to all the fans reps and protesters too.

 

[mexico1970]

This is what happens when you treat football like a business solely and try to court new customers whilst forgetting the ones you already have.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Given the achievements of Sir Kevin and the City Matters Reps. Is it time for this thread to close and have a anti the antis thread instead?

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

I am grateful for the work of KP and City Matters for their breakthrough on flexi-golds. Kevin’s work has been for all fans. The other fan groups were right to target the f-g set up fee.

Apologies for predicting this positive outcome.

Wonder how many FG’s he’s secured for his members…499 would be my guess :)
Credit where it’s due, if he’s been a force for good and intentionally campaigned for all fans.
I’m actually shocked at the concessions gained, they are far & away from where I expected us to be this close season, I get people are still angry, I get we should never of been here in the first place, and there’s still a lot of work to do regards the other issues. But like the failed ESL, which we all bounced back from, it’s time to look forwards.
If there is to be 4k ST’s in the new stand, then that’s exciting for fans looking for a way in, no doubt the criteria will cause more drama, so CM the OSC and campaign groups still have work to do

 

[Mr Grumpy]

I think you seem to be missing that a lot of this on season tickets revolves around or is at least triggered by the 8000 new seats coming in the north stand extension. Or rather the club's so far lack of public direction over their intentions. So the timing is actually pretty damn logical, and then the other long standing issues are coming to the fore along with that.

I thought my conclusions in the thread were fairly clear. This is pretty much (as you confirm) not about "city fans" but about one very small (but obviously important)subset , namely the season ticket holders.
Also, that these actions care not about anyone or anything else. Quite the opposite.
It's also true that the actions by the season ticket groups are as clear as mud. Perhaps deliberately so for obvious reasons.

It took a fair bit of wrangling and effort to get this cleared up for me as one can see. I now know that as a remote supporter, this has next to fuck all to do with my interests.

I just wanted clarification. I got it.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Wonder how many FG’s he’s secured for his members…499 would be my guess :)
Credit where it’s due, if he’s been a force for good and intentionally campaigned for all fans.
I’m actually shocked at the concessions gained, they are far & away from where I expected us to be this close season, I get people are still angry, I get we should never of been here in the first place, and there’s still a lot of work to do regards the other issues. But like the failed ESL, which we all bounced back from, it’s time to look forwards.
If there is to be 4k ST’s in the new stand, then that’s exciting for fans looking for a way in, no doubt the criteria will cause more drama, so CM the OSC and campaign groups still have work to do

Still loads to do on match day ticket prices. The fan groups and protestors have helped City Matters to achieve a lot. Credit City for listening. These are win / wins for fans and the club, by helping to bring through the next generation of Blues. The 4,000 f-gs should go like hot cakes.

The last message from the OSC on f-gs is that none have been secured for members so far and there are no guarantees of any. From that we know KP put the wider fanbase first.

FWIW, I’ve always said OSC membership is overrated but it’s better to be in a Branch than not.

I know I was a bit cheeky saying that f-gs are more like season cards than “full season cards” but there is a genuine case for that now

 

[Coatigan]

I thought my conclusions in the thread were fairly clear. This is pretty much (as you confirm) not about "city fans" but about one very small (but obviously important)subset , namely the season ticket holders.
Also, that these actions care not about anyone or anything else. Quite the opposite.
It's also true that the actions by the season ticket groups are as clear as mud. Perhaps deliberately so for obvious reasons.

It took a fair bit of wrangling and effort to get this cleared up for me as one can see. I now know that as a remote supporter, this has next to fuck all to do with my interests.

I just wanted clarification. I got it.

I 'confirmed' nothing. I just pointed out that there are additional seats coming, rather than it being a case of a battle to make more season tickets available at the expense of other types of the existing allocation, which was how I read the post.

 

[Coatigan]

Why didn't Kevin Parker consult the OSC members before deciding not to support the fans first protest? He obviously didn't read the room.

Who took that decision? And why did they take that decision? What were their reasons? And why didn't Kevin Parker as the OSC General Secretary canvas the wider OSC membership before taking that decision?

There is an OSC - X page. A poll/vote could have been set up allowing OSC members to vote for or against supporting the first protest.

It works both ways.

I agree.

Genuine question, for my own interest. Did the 1894 canvas members before sending the letter to Pep and the inclusion of the Catalan dangle? I will believe you if you say yes, obviously.

Has Pep been asked about it yet in a presser or commented on it? I haven't kept track.

 

[jrb]

I agree.

Genuine question, for my own interest. Did the 1894 canvas members before sending the letter to Pep and the inclusion of the Catalan dangle? I will believe you if you say yes, obviously.

Has Pep been asked about it yet in a presser or commented on it? I haven't kept track.

I don't know. That's the truth. But I'm assuming they didn't?

1894 have continually consulted their membership about various issues, and updated them regularly via news letters, emails, X, etc.

The questionnaires and the results/polls have bee posted on BM for everyone to see, 1894 members or not, by me and others.

The lads running 1894 can go into more detail about that.

Compare that to the people running the OSC. I won't go into it again.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The changeses having nothing to do with KP or the majority of the City matters group.
This is all down to the 1894 group and few of the City matters group applying pressure to the club, through their protest at the Villa game and the adverse media attention this brought.
Couple this with the poor ticket sales for that match and the Wembley semi final and it appears that someone at the club has finally woken up and "smelt the coffee".

Only this. And I am pleased to say that my faith in Mansour/Khaldoon and the value of their word is maintained for a while longer. Let's make no mistake, it was the concourse protest and the fact it was visible to Mansour that has forced Soriano to be making concessions, not anything else.

 

[Coatigan]

I don't know. That's the truth. But I'm assuming they didn't?

1894 have continually consulted their membership about various issues, and updated them regularly via news letters, emails, X, etc.

The questionnaires and the results/polls have bee posted on BM for everyone to see, 1894 members or not, by me and others.

The lads running 1894 can go into more detail about that.

Compare that to the people running the OSC. I won't go into it again.

Thanks. Although comparable as far as how the two responses were put forward go, it is not my intention to compare the two groups, and I am genuinely personally interested whether it was a small group that did it or the whole lot got involved.

I have now read Pep's response to it too btw. As diplomatic as expected. I.e he is not going to shit on the fans, but will also politely remind them fuck right off and let him be a manager.

As well intended as it was, it is an own goal, and makes the osc response seem reasonable in comparison, which is a shame.

 

[BertM19]

I agree.

Genuine question, for my own interest. Did the 1894 canvas members before sending the letter to Pep and the inclusion of the Catalan dangle? I will believe you if you say yes, obviously.

Has Pep been asked about it yet in a presser or commented on it? I haven't kept track.

Yes, 1894 put out a survey for their members, of which hundreds voted in favour of an open letter to Pep (amongst other options)

 

[Damocles]

I am grateful for the work of KP and City Matters for their breakthrough on flexi-golds. Kevin’s work has been for all fans. The other fan groups were right to target the f-g set up fee.

Apologies for predicting this positive outcome.

He did fuck all and the "announcement" is fucking insulting. The fact the OSC cheerleaders are hailing this literal slap in the face as a victory further cements my idea that they're pointless politicians incapable of achieving anything and they need to go.

 

[better dead than red]

Of course he doesn’t want locals filling affordable tickets, he has Bulgarians to please

Moustachioed assassins for the former Soviet Union.

 

[better dead than red]

Has anyone thought of writing to Bruce Springsteen?

He told me to fuck off.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

I joined the OSC for one reason only and that's to get transport to away games.

I've got 28,000 points so aside from the PL game at Luton last season I always qualify for a ticket

It's nearly always the same people on every coach journey and in contrast to the mythology I've never once encountered a member getting an undeserved ticket that should have been sold to somebody with higher points.

I'm not a member of 1894 but that's not a criticism of their aims or methods.
I know they do a great jobs with the flags and tributes, but rightly or wrongly I've always viewed them as an independent body that's more focused on the atmosphere for home matches.


Similarly City Matters have seemingly surfaced from nowhere but I literally haven't the faintest idea if the latest developments regarding Season Tickets were due to their lobbying influence or whether it was just a cynical ploy to dilute the impact of tonight's protest.

Either way, let's stop blaming each other and focus on the real enemy: corporate greed.