Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

Bluearmy said:
Decent example. Both this and the Forrest example shouldn't be penalties imo. Both players (Grealish & Abbott) didn't do anything wrong/deliberate, Grealish was jumping and Abbott running, so arms are not down by their sides as is perfectly normal in these type of actions… The application of the handball law is a mess!!
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Grealish had his back to the ball and didn’t have a clue it was going towards his fingernails. Abbott threw himself to block a shot on goal and saved it with an outstretched hand. Not quite the same in my view.
 
Bluearmy said:
Nope. He tried to do all he could to get his hands out of the way as he was running and trying to black the ball with his body. So clearly not handball according to the laws as they currently stand!!
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Ive checked and I can't see the bit about "do all he could to get his hands out of the way" Running? Don't think so. He may have been trying to block the ball, but he failed and it hit his outstretched arm
He made his body bigger, intentionally or not, it is absolutely clear handball according to the law as it currently stands Image 4-28-25 at 9.22 AM.jpeg

And before you come back, there is nothing to say the arm has to be out stretched in front of the body

The key in the law is
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised

Having his arm behind his body is not natural body movement

His mistake was putting his arms behind himself to avoid handball but then turning side on to avoid being hit in the face
 
Gordyola said:
Ive checked and I can't see the bit about "do all he could to get his hands out of the way" Running? Don't think so. He may have been trying to block the ball, but he failed and it hit his outstretched arm
He made his body bigger, intentionally or not, it is absolutely clear handball according to the law as it currently stands View attachment 154742

And before you come back, there is nothing to say the arm has to be out stretched in front of the body

The key in the law is
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised

Having his arm behind his body is not natural body movement

His mistake was putting his arms behind himself to avoid handball but then turning side on to avoid being hit in the face
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Its clearly not. He did all he could to try and get his hands out of the way. You will see most defenders, including ours doing the exact same action every single week.

The defender cant be expected to account for a miss hit shot. If you continue down this path you’ll end up with every single handball as a penalty. It’s already ludicrous as it is…

Also not sure what you have watched as here is a still a few milliseconds before contact with the Forrest player, with him clearly looking directly at the ball. He was also running across the goal so really not sure what you have watched as its not based in reality!!
 

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Bluearmy said:
Its clearly not. He did all he could to try and get his hands out of the way. You will see most defenders, including ours doing the exact same action every single week.

The defender cant be expected to account for a miss hit shot. If you continue down this path you’ll end up with every single handball as a penalty. It’s already ludicrous as it is…

Also not sure what you have watched as here is a still a few milliseconds before contact with the Forrest player, with him clearly looking directly at the ball. He was also running across the goal so really not sure what you have watched as its not based in reality!!
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I’ve never seen any other player stick his arms out behind his back quite like that. A natural body shape if you’re Pingu, but not for a footballer. And I’m not sure how clearly looking at the ball equates with trying to avoid it, rather the opposite
 
Bluearmy said:
Its clearly not. He did all he could to try and get his hands out of the way. You will see most defenders, including ours doing the exact same action every single week.

The defender cant be expected to account for a miss hit shot. If you continue down this path you’ll end up with every single handball as a penalty. It’s already ludicrous as it is…

Also not sure what you have watched as here is a still a few milliseconds before contact with the Forrest player, with him clearly looking directly at the ball. He was also running across the goal so really not sure what you have watched as its not based in reality!!
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Yeah he has his eye on the ball, which he then hits with his hand to stop the ball going into the net. If an attacker handballed it like that and then scored, would the goal stand? The answer is no isn't it.
 
Bluearmy said:
Its clearly not. He did all he could to try and get his hands out of the way. You will see most defenders, including ours doing the exact same action every single week.

The defender cant be expected to account for a miss hit shot. If you continue down this path you’ll end up with every single handball as a penalty. It’s already ludicrous as it is…

Also not sure what you have watched as here is a still a few milliseconds before contact with the Forrest player, with him clearly looking directly at the ball. He was also running across the goal so really not sure what you have watched as it’s not based in reality!!
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Criteria not in the law
Running, yeah it’s football players run, walk and jot
Did his best, irrelevant and can’t be fold his arm in?
Miss hit shot, irrelevant it was on target and his action gave the gk a better chance
Getting hands out of the way ( failed )

It’s you who fails to grasp reality and the application of the law

Saw it in real time and every replay from each angle makes it more certain

Finally I’m reading the law and wether I agree with it is irrelevant unlike yourself who is invering criteria It like saying he didn’t mean his toenail to be offside
 
Time for the club to start questioning these poor decisions in games how can a player last week get red carded for a slip,( rescinded since ) yet both ref and VAR decide that on Bernardo isn’t a red it’s absolutely by design game still
in balance don’t send him off,game done yeah send him off ..
 
Gordyola said:
Ive checked and I can't see the bit about "do all he could to get his hands out of the way" Running? Don't think so. He may have been trying to block the ball, but he failed and it hit his outstretched arm
He made his body bigger, intentionally or not, it is absolutely clear handball according to the law as it currently stands View attachment 154742

And before you come back, there is nothing to say the arm has to be out stretched in front of the body

The key in the law is
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised

Having his arm behind his body is not natural body movement

His mistake was putting his arms behind himself to avoid handball but then turning side on to avoid being hit in the face
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It has to be intentionally to be given.
 
Marcelo did a carbon copy of Ait-Nouri's stud roll and I think (surely) ended this poor lads career...

 
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For me it’s a red card all day… he’s tried a piece of skill it’s not worked out he’s not in control and he’s endangered an opponent… I understand no yellow if the ref hasn’t seen it but to not have a look at it is a disgrace… also you know it’s a bad tackle if spit face on coms thinks he was very lucky!
 
deano ou812 said:
Time for the club to start questioning these poor decisions in games how can a player last week get red carded for a slip,( rescinded since ) yet both ref and VAR decide that on Bernardo isn’t a red it’s absolutely by design game still
in balance don’t send him off,game done yeah send him off ..
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Exactly, it’s not VAR the problem is PGMOL they are using it differently depending on the team.

How no one picked up a yellow is astonishing, I wonder what the odds on that are.
 
Same ref who sent off the Bournemouth player v Rags and booked 6 more just a few days ago. Every week we see officiating v us that’s a disgrace.
Part of it is on Pep and the club for accepting it. Klopp, Artega, Ferguson would be calling it out for what it is, then get favourable decisions. We accept it and it happens the next game
 
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