Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

£92k a year plus expenses and admin costs gets you the best political principles money can buy, that's all you need to know - they do not give a shit, give most people that money and they'd tub-thump mandatory child execution of all eight-year-olds
 
Pretty depressing to see Reform making these gains, but more depressingly Labour will probably move further to the right to try, and fail, to appease those voters. They should be binning the cruel PIP and winter fuel policies rather than twatting on about “the boats”, because they will never win that argument with the right.
It's mad that we've just seen this exact scenario play out in the US and have learned nothing from it

Farage will be the next PM because of this incompetence
 
If it’s a ‘soft cap’ then some sectors will be exempt. Then other sectors will seek exemption because they need the labour. If it’s a ‘hard cap’ then it will break on the buffers of reality, because there will always be a need for workers and Govt’s are notoriously bad at predicting industry’s needs.

At the risk of repeating myself, western developed countries have a demographic problem and a labour shortage problem. It is what it is.
There is a demographic issue to come and Labour shortage now in no small part of our own making.
Mass migration and worklessness /welfare are two cheeks of the same arse, resolving the latter will go a long way to reducing the former.
As a nation it seems we are no longer capable of pulling our vegetables from the ground or the fruit from our trees to feed ourselves without recourse to imported labour. How could that ever be possible ? Only possible in a nation drunk on welfare.
Similarly it seems taking care of our old folk is beneath us and cannot be managed without imported labour as our workless again will not do the work. So we important a care worker , pay them a wage on which they will never be able to make a net contribution to the exchequer, allow them to bring their family, subsidise their housing as a minimum, etc etc. We cannot afford that , we borrow money to do it whilst paying the workless who could do it benefits.
Then complain we are skint etc etc
This and the demographic issue can be met with a Guest worker scheme ( and I don't mean a treat them like shit Gulf Arab scheme) In some countries of the world there is a healthy surplus of young people who I believe would be happy to come here on that basis for a few years , earn what would be to them decent money they could save or send home to secure their futures and improve the economy in their home countries.
Would need some accommodation, not impossible , I recall many years ago we used to provide nurse's homes next to hospitals etc.
We simply do not need to offer permanent citizenship to these workers and their families to fill low paid work.
It is what it is, is not good enough anymore, it is economic madness.
 
Pretty depressing to see Reform making these gains, but more depressingly Labour will probably move further to the right to try, and fail, to appease those voters. They should be binning the cruel PIP and winter fuel policies rather than twatting on about “the boats”, because they will never win that argument with the right.
In your opinion it's depressing, in miliinons of others eyes it's a start and it's a hope, you want someone to blame,, blame both Labour and tory for this
 
Oh dear what a sad pathetic response - troubled by being asked direct questions you run away - change your username to Brave Sir Robin. Suits you.
What is pathetic about my response? Ukip is it's own entity and a current political party that participated in yesterday's elections as did reform. Do you always resort to insults when you don't agree with someone? Get a grip keyboard warrior, that's my opinion, deal with it.
 
It's mad that we've just seen this exact scenario play out in the US and have learned nothing from it

Farage will be the next PM because of this incompetence
There are disturbing similarities, but I'm still hopeful that FPTP will probably stop that happening. I think there are enough people who are disillusioned with either Labour or the Tories would still vote tactically to prevent it.
 
In your opinion it's depressing, in miliinons of others eyes it's a start and it's a hope, you want someone to blame,, blame both Labour and tory for this
I don't really understand what you think Reform would give you though to offer "hope"? That's not meant to sound patronising btw. I'm genuinely intrigued to see what the appeal is to voters such as yourself.
 
You don’t actually believe that, do you?!
Land on a Russian beach and you certainly won't end up with a room in the Holiday Inn. That applies to virtually every other country apart from Europe.
 
What is pathetic about my response? Ukip is it's own entity and a current political party that participated in yesterday's elections as did reform. Do you always resort to insults when you don't agree with someone? Get a grip keyboard warrior, that's my opinion, deal with it.

so given todays results what makes you think that Reform UK Ltd can go from 5 MP's to something like 325 MP's given all the variables that would make that possible in the next 5 years. Are you in a council or a ward that got control by Reform today?
 
I don't really understand what you think Reform would give you though to offer "hope"? That's not meant to sound patronising btw. I'm genuinely intrigued to see what the appeal is to voters such as yourself.
You have to understand how pissed off people are, and yes with the immigrants coming in and been looked after.
There are so many in a shit hole of a position in life, you have to understand Tory, Labour have done precisely fuk all about it.
I'll ask you a serious question where exactly the way things are going now is the end game in this?, what do we do stick our fingers in our ears and go,, lalala and pretend life is good?, for millions of people it simply ain't good, so eventually people will go for change for better or worse
 
You're absolutely right of course, they have all played their part in disconnecting politics from the real problems the country faces as they become increasingly intractable. I would argue that group rather less so than the ones I named but deep cultural changes have contributed too. A key factor for me is the fragmentation of the family group, the older members increasingly living separately without influence on the next generations.
That is so true. When I was a young man I used to scoff at the obsession with the importance Family that conservatives like Thatcher seemed to have. With hindsight and the evidence before our eyes I understand how wrong I was. I am not sure how and when it became it the responsibility of the state to care for our oldest generation but something has been lost for sure. The progressive approach to family like so many progressive ideas has failed us badly.
 
Pretty depressing to see Reform making these gains, but more depressingly Labour will probably move further to the right to try, and fail, to appease those voters. They should be binning the cruel PIP and winter fuel policies rather than twatting on about “the boats”, because they will never win that argument with the right.
Absolutely correct.

There is little doubt in my mind that a major part of Reforms success if predicated on 14 years of Tory failure and 10 months of Labour's evident lack of political skills and their abject failure to deliver, or even be able to read the room and to know what to deliver.

This country is in a very poor and miserable state, of that there is no doubt.
 
Look I agree the WFH allowance debacle was stupid - pain for little gain BUT just like there has not been 75,000 kids from fee paying schools flooding the state sector the WFH withdrawal has not resulted in the number of extra cold related deaths amongst the elderly. How do I know? If either had happened the Mail, Express and Telegraph would have been all over it. That doesn't make the policy right but the scaremongering was off the charts.

As for "illegals" what are they? Are you applying the Andrea Jenkyn definition which is incorrect in International Law or your own gut feeling? Anybody from anywhere can go to any country and apply for asylum. That application needs to be processed and if it doesn't clear the bar then they are here illegally and can be deported. In the meantime where do you propose they live? Do we not feed them? Do we not ensure they remain disease and illness free? What would your solution be?
Send them back! They are not hear for asylum. They are here for a free ride and milk our system as to send money home via western union money transfer so their wife’s and kids can have a better life at home and our governments have given them just that for too long and we are talking hundreds of thousands of people. While our own resources are annihilated! Have you got a dentist? Have you got doctors and specialist visiting you at home? Have you got 24 hour chefs cooking your meals? Have you got 24 hour cleaners because they trash the hotels they live in. All for free and they are still coming! Where the hell do we stop with this ridiculous notion that we are somehow the social services of the entire world and that we as tax payers should be paying for everyone of them forever! Whilst our own population struggles to pay for themselves! Can’t get a dentist, waiting lists of years, doctor appointments in 2 weeks and that will be on the phone, housing crisis, Energy prices through the roof, winter fuel allowance gone, disability payments going the list goes on. But mr immigrant (it’s always men aswell, where are the woman fleeing these so called troubled countries) can get all these services at tax payers cost for as long as their asylum processing takes. Which by the way is not even remotely near completion for even 30 percent of all the immigrants. The asylum system cost trajectory is a grim read in terms of the cost to mr and mrs tax payer and many people think enough is enough.

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so given todays results what makes you think that Reform UK Ltd can go from 5 MP's to something like 325 MP's given all the variables that would make that possible in the next 5 years. Are you in a council or a ward that got control by Reform today?
I have no idea if that's possible, I've no problem if they do considering the track record of labour and the Tories. When I look at the present cabinet I see no one with either the qualifications or experience who can run their departments effectively.
There was no vote where I live .
 
Send them back! They are not hear for asylum. They are here for a free ride and milk our system as to send money home via western union money transfer so their wife’s and kids can have a better life at home and our governments have given them just that for too long and we are talking hundreds of thousands of people. While our own resources are annihilated! Have you got a dentist? Have you got doctors and specialist visiting you at home? Have you got 24 hour chefs cooking your meals? Have you got 24 hour cleaners because they trash the hotels they live in. All for free and they are still coming! Where the hell do we stop with this ridiculous notion that we are somehow the social services of the entire world and that we as tax payers should be paying for everyone of them forever! Whilst our own population struggles to pay for themselves! Can’t get a dentist, waiting lists of years, doctor appointments in 2 weeks and that will be on the phone, housing crisis, Energy prices through the roof, winter fuel allowance gone, disability payments going the list goes on. But mr immigrant (it’s always men aswell, where are the woman fleeing these so called troubled countries) can get all these services at tax payers cost for as long as their asylum processing takes. Which by the way is not even remotely near completion for even 30 percent of all the immigrants. The asylum system cost trajectory is a grim read in terms of the cost to mr and mrs tax payer and many people think enough is enough.

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Be careful m8,,, you know what's coming your way now, there will be hoards having a go at you, especially the 1s that have given up bedrooms for these poor people,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ohhh wait
 
I have no idea if that's possible, I've no problem if they do considering the track record of labour and the Tories. When I look at the present cabinet I see no one with either the qualifications or experience who can run their departments effectively.
There was no vote where I live .
I am surprised that none of what they call the "BIG" hitters.... like Cooper, Reeves, Rayner have been wheeled out in front of the cameras today (apologies if they have appeared and I've missed them). That says a lot about Labour solidarity. They can't get a party line and they can't speak for themselves either. It's either that or they're all out at a concert or the Theatre enjoying their freebies.

I personally believe there will be many Labour Back Benchers that will be seeing this and feeling very uneasy. I think Labour are in for a very long hard summer.
 
Be careful m8,,, you know what's coming your way now, there will be hoards having a go at you, especially the 1s that have given up bedrooms for these poor people,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ohhh wait
Just sick to death of people being called thick or racist or bigot because they have a different opinion and view to how they want their hard earned spent. Me personally? I want the future of my kids secured and the best resources available for them, that I’ve worked hard to pay for through my taxes and eventually theirs.
 
You have to understand how pissed off people are, and yes with the immigrants coming in and been looked after.
There are so many in a shit hole of a position in life, you have to understand Tory, Labour have done precisely fuk all about it.
I'll ask you a serious question where exactly the way things are going now is the end game in this?, what do we do stick our fingers in our ears and go,, lalala and pretend life is good?, for millions of people it simply ain't good, so eventually people will go for change for better or worse
I fully understand how pissed off people are. Pretty much everyone's quality of life in this country is decreasing. Poorly paid jobs, unaffordable housing, cost of living, utility bills etc. Putting this mainly down to illegal immigration is nonsense though. People need a scapegoat, and they make an easy, convenient target.

I get why some would vote Reform as a protest vote, but if you really think they're going to solve the problem then I have a bridge to sell you. There are worrying similarities with Trump, and you can see how well that's going for most Americans right now.

As for what the end game is, as you ask, I have no idea. I just hope that Labour, or whoever the government is in future, actually start addressing the problems faced by millions of working people rather than just finding an easy scapegoat in migrants. And that people stop lapping that shit up.
 

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