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[waspish]

I don't really understand what you think Reform would give you though to offer "hope"? That's not meant to sound patronising btw. I'm genuinely intrigued to see what the appeal is to voters such as yourself.

Agree with you here, but the problem is we know what the Conservatives give us, we know what Labour gives us, and it's lies, broken promises! Reform isn’t the answer, but people want an alternative, and people haven’t seen what reform can do— bad or good, truth or lies, or consistently let down! A lot can happen in four years; Labour policy now might work even though it looks bad! Personally, when the country is in such a bad way, every party should work together to drag us through this !

 

[blueinsa]

I keep reading no law is broken by those arriving on boats in the channel.

Wrong. Under UK law anyone arriving without a visa or special permission is breaking UK law.

If they immediately apply for asylum then no prosecution will take place until such a time that application is processed and even a failed one won’t mean they are prosecuted but the law is being broken and it’s punishable as things stand so enough with the no law is broken.

How many hitting the beaches just disappear into society as well?

 

[BigJoe#1]

People asking "What will Reform do for us"? What "Policies will they deliver to"?

How does the following about getting rid of the Net zero burden that we all face and are paying through the nose for (highest gas/electric bills in Europe/world) and the amount of money we all know is wasted on Diversity, Equality and Inclusion shit? Yeah I know I'll get all the Racist accusation but this is exactly the shake up this country needs ... IMO!

It's just a shame the main Political Parties are too scared to make really, really tough choices for fear of upsetting the loud minority (several on this forum) at the cost of upsetting (what was) the silent majority.

Speaking at a rally in Newton Aycliffe on Friday afternoon (2 May) the Party leader said: “I would advise anybody who’s working for Durham County Council on climate change initiatives or Diversity, Equity and Inclusion or… things that you go on working from home, I think you all better really be seeking alternative careers very, very quickly.
"We want to give council taxpayers better value for money. We want to reduce excessive expenditure. We want to find out who the long-term contracts are signed with and why, and reduce the scale of local government back to what it ought to be.”

I get it won't be universally popular but it is exactly what the country has asked for. What is Keir promising us.... more of the same "FURTHER AND FASTER".... really?

 

[Blue and true]

The rise of Reform is the latest symptom of the wider issue at play, namely the ongoing decline of western hegemony which is significantly driven by huge, structural demographic issues, which can be mitigated by a much more mobile global population and a manifest willingness to migrate towards the countries that are subject to those demographic issues.

Mass immigration is the only viable solution to the issue of our ageing population, but with it comes consequences, and some people will inevitably end up being ‘losers’ out of the process, just as much as others will be ‘winners’.

And the former are understandably angry, but I’m not sure what the answer is to what ails them.

This is the bigger picture imo and if western countries want to keep the Ponzi scheme going then they need to carry on letting immigrants in. If they don’t, then living standards will fall further and the impact on social care in particular will be huge.

That’s the reality of the choice we face. Stopping or hugely curtailing immigration will have huge consequences that many who voted Reform don’t appear to have contemplated.

Well said. Contemplating those huge consequences would require a level of independent thinking, and therein lies the problem; algorithms do the thinking for the individual.

 

[hilts]

What is pathetic about my response? Ukip is it's own entity and a current political party that participated in yesterday's elections as did reform. Do you always resort to insults when you don't agree with someone? Get a grip keyboard warrior, that's my opinion, deal with it.

All the people in his street agree with him in fairness, all 2,000 of them.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

People asking "What will Reform do for us"? What "Policies will they deliver to"?

How does the following about getting rid of the Net zero burden that we all face and are paying through the nose for (highest gas/electric bills in Europe/world) and the amount of money we all know is wasted on Diversity, Equality and Inclusion shit? Yeah I know I'll get all the Racist accusation but this is exactly the shake up this country needs ... IMO!

It's just a shame the main Political Parties are too scared to make really, really tough choices for fear of upsetting the loud minority (several on this forum) at the cost of upsetting (what was) the silent majority.

Speaking at a rally in Newton Aycliffe on Friday afternoon (2 May) the Party leader said: “I would advise anybody who’s working for Durham County Council on climate change initiatives or Diversity, Equity and Inclusion or… things that you go on working from home, I think you all better really be seeking alternative careers very, very quickly.
"We want to give council taxpayers better value for money. We want to reduce excessive expenditure. We want to find out who the long-term contracts are signed with and why, and reduce the scale of local government back to what it ought to be.”

I get it won't be universally popular but it is exactly what the country has asked for. What is Keir promising us.... more of the same "FURTHER AND FASTER".... really?

And in that one speech has lined himself and the councils that Reform now control a long long list of constructive dismissal claims which will (with unlimited claim limits ) will cost the council tax payers millions and millions of £

 

[hampshireblue]

The French are actively encouraging these so called asylum seekers to head to the UK. Pick them up mid channel and deposit them back in France for starters.
Every one of them has broken the law by coming here without authorization, deport to their country of origin assuming that most are safe. The vast majority of these people are not at risk they are simply illegal economic migrants.

Wrong!!

 

[BigJoe#1]

And in that one speech has lined himself and the councils that Reform now control a long long list of constructive dismissal claims which will (with unlimited claim limits ) will cost the council tax payers millions and millions of £

So just to be clear you agree with Ed Millibands stance on Climate Change and the policies that see us paying higher costs and all our production capacity being shipped offshore and then we pay for the products to be shipped back here... pathetic.

 

[Paul1970]

You didn’t answer his question which was did you see him shit on the pavement! I assume the answer is no, or you’d have said so.

I’ve seen about 3 people fucking shit outside and one on the pavement outside a house . You think I’m exaggerating and making it up but take a trip to hexthorpe near Doncaster and better still go to Doncaster first and ask random people walking round about Hexthorpe and see what they say . I know wgat your getting at but I don’t give two fucks What you think .

 

[blueinsa]

Wrong!!

He is correct, you’re wrong.

 

[BlueHammer85]

it's lies, broken promises!

May aswell repeat this over and over for every single party, chuck it in with 'they're all the same' and 'we just want something different' - its hollow cliche shite that everyone jumps on.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

So just to be clear you agree with Ed Millibands stance on Climate Change and the policies that see us paying higher costs and all our production capacity being shipped offshore and then we pay for the products to be shipped back here... pathetic.

1) I agree that the Climate is definitely changing and welcome any solution that we come up with to solve it.

2) If only we had a Gas & Electric production , storage and distribution business run on a not for profit basis for the benefit of the taxpayer eh?

*Checks notes* We used to .

3) The Government didn't ship our production capacity offshore ... responsibility for that lies with greedy corporations and businesses.

 

[johnny crossan]

The rise of Reform is the latest symptom of the wider issue at play, namely the ongoing decline of western hegemony which is significantly driven by huge, structural demographic issues, which can be mitigated by a much more mobile global population and a manifest willingness to migrate towards the countries that are subject to those demographic issues.

Mass immigration is the only viable solution to the issue of our ageing population, but with it comes consequences, and some people will inevitably end up being ‘losers’ out of the process, just as much as others will be ‘winners’.

And the former are understandably angry, but I’m not sure what the answer is to what ails them.

This is the bigger picture imo and if western countries want to keep the Ponzi scheme going then they need to carry on letting immigrants in. If they don’t, then living standards will fall further and the impact on social care in particular will be huge.

That’s the reality of the choice we face. Stopping or hugely curtailing immigration will have huge consequences that many who voted Reform don’t appear to have contemplated.

I'm told that us living longer will inevitably entail a gradually increasing retirement age to qualify for a state pension
If this will help fill the labour supply gap with older but still healthy functional workers remains to be seen but when I spent some time in hospital recently several nurses had returned to full time work from retirementt voluntarily.

 

[hilts]

I fully understand how pissed off people are. Pretty much everyone's quality of life in this country is decreasing. Poorly paid jobs, unaffordable housing, cost of living, utility bills etc. Putting this mainly down to illegal immigration is nonsense though. People need a scapegoat, and they make an easy, convenient target.

I get why some would vote Reform as a protest vote, but if you really think they're going to solve the problem then I have a bridge to sell you. There are worrying similarities with Trump, and you can see how well that's going for most Americans right now.

As for what the end game is, as you ask, I have no idea. I just hope that Labour, or whoever the government is in future, actually start addressing the problems faced by millions of working people rather than just finding an easy scapegoat in migrants. And that people stop lapping that shit up.

The only thing I will say on this Reform malarkey as I wouldn't personally vote for them is this:-

Are Labour more or less likely to make change and/or do it quicker if more and more people vote for reform? You yourself have just said you understand that people are pissed off. Some on here seem to be of the opinion that they should carry on being pissed off and just accept the least worst option ie Labour. So basically accept their lot in life.

All this election shows is a protest vote can indeed shake things up. Those voting for Reform have been justified in doing so by this very thread and the reaction to it in the media and on the streets.

Those who actually vote Reform because they believe in them would have done so anyhow, its a concept that some in here don't like but can't change. In any country people will disagree with your views and vote accordingly. I believe that's how democracies work. Its already loaded in their favour anyhow with fptp. They really do want it all.

A protest vote for a similar party to the one in charge is no protest at all really. The polls have shown for a while the biggest danger to the forever in charge two is Reform, i wish it wasn't but it is. That is the only protest vote in town.

Some of the surburbanites on here(I'm probably classed as one) need to be careful as do the political classes. If they carry on as is then the things that matter to them may be taken away.

You don't prevent a Trump situation by mocking, sneering and covering your ears. That's the absolute worst thing you can do. EU membership went(yay:-)) if they get any power watch what happens to what's left of our public services.

 

[ganganvince]

The rise of Reform is the latest symptom of the wider issue at play, namely the ongoing decline of western hegemony which is significantly driven by huge, structural demographic issues, which can be mitigated by a much more mobile global population and a manifest willingness to migrate towards the countries that are subject to those demographic issues.

Mass immigration is the only viable solution to the issue of our ageing population, but with it comes consequences, and some people will inevitably end up being ‘losers’ out of the process, just as much as others will be ‘winners’.

And the former are understandably angry, but I’m not sure what the answer is to what ails them.

This is the bigger picture imo and if western countries want to keep the Ponzi scheme going then they need to carry on letting immigrants in. If they don’t, then living standards will fall further and the impact on social care in particular will be huge.

That’s the reality of the choice we face. Stopping or hugely curtailing immigration will have huge consequences that many who voted Reform don’t appear to have contemplated.

As far as I am aware it's the "illegall" immigration to be targeted not the controlled required skills. Need to stop trying to tie the 2 together they are not the same thing.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

The rise of Reform is the latest symptom of the wider issue at play, namely the ongoing decline of western hegemony which is significantly driven by huge, structural demographic issues, which can be mitigated by a much more mobile global population and a manifest willingness to migrate towards the countries that are subject to those demographic issues.

Mass immigration is the only viable solution to the issue of our ageing population, but with it comes consequences, and some people will inevitably end up being ‘losers’ out of the process, just as much as others will be ‘winners’.

And the former are understandably angry, but I’m not sure what the answer is to what ails them.

This is the bigger picture imo and if western countries want to keep the Ponzi scheme going then they need to carry on letting immigrants in. If they don’t, then living standards will fall further and the impact on social care in particular will be huge.

That’s the reality of the choice we face. Stopping or hugely curtailing immigration will have huge consequences that many who voted Reform don’t appear to have contemplated.

I don’t agree. We had what 700,000 + last year and an average of about 600,000 the last few years. It’s completely unsustainable.

Even with those huge numbers of people we are no where near keeping up with the ageing population. Your solution seems to be completely uncontrolled immigration, which no population will accept. It doesn’t take into account infrastructure, cost or the effect it will have in the long term.

You’d need millions every year and that might not even cover it. What happens when those immigrants get older as well? Who looks after them? It would be a never ending cycle.

Every country in the world pretty much has an ageing population. You talk about the west, but the same is happening everywhere. Maybe it’s something we will just have to live with/ think of practical solutions.

 

[Oldham Exile]

I assume you know him otherwise how do you know?

TBF - I think that that response to a post saying

"Find a Reform voter that isn't racist."

Can be given credibility / benefit of any doubt

I thought that the narrative is that anyone that would vote for Reform is stupid. Well, I must say - for someone to post that suggests that it is clearly not only Reform voters

And - are you doubling down?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

As far as I am aware it's the "illegall" immigration to be targeted not the controlled required skills. Need to stop trying to tie the 2 together they are not the same thing.

I agree. It’s pretty reasonable to want illegal immigrstion to stop or be controlled. Seemingly neither of the main two parties can do anything or even want to control it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’ve seen about 3 people fucking shit outside and one on the pavement outside a house . You think I’m exaggerating and making it up but take a trip to hexthorpe near Doncaster and better still go to Doncaster first and ask random people walking round about Hexthorpe and see what they say .

I’m a bit busy this weekend, but I might pop in to Hexthorpe next time I’m on the A1 and ask random people if they’ve seen people shit on the pavement.

 

[BigJoe#1]

1) I agree that the Climate is definitely changing and welcome any solution that we come up with to solve it.

Regardless of the cost

2) If only we had a Gas & Electric production , storage and distribution business run on a not for profit basis for the benefit of the taxpayer eh?

*Checks notes* We used to .

Because we closed down our oil and gas... we prefer to ship it in along with all the products made abroad... so we can maintain our low carbon footprint ... absolute joke - crazy.

3) The Government didn't ship our production capacity offshore ... responsibility for that lies with greedy corporations and businesses.

Working within the rules that successive Governments have imposed on us.... things like higher fuel costs (which profit foreign government owned Businesses)

This is a time where we need to break away from the constraints and take action to make the UK a great place to invest in... But Labour (Tory lite) ain't having any of it.

Can you not read the room as regards public opinion?