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Bias thinking you presume they'll be like that we don't know! Look I know you'll come back with presumed evidence but they are none!

Honestly is there anything to go on other than they’d be a complete disaster? Their rhetoric is divisive and vile, day after day one of their candidates are linked to racism, their only policy seems to be ‘stop the boats’ without an actual plan how to do that and they are led by a frog faced fucker who instigated Brexit.
 
Honestly is there anything to go on other than they’d be a complete disaster? Their rhetoric is divisive and vile, day after day one of their candidates are linked to racism, their only policy seems to be ‘stop the boats’ without an actual plan how to do that and they are led by a frog faced fucker who instigated Brexit.

You do nothing but call other racists or thick so enough of the “their rhetoric is divisive and vile” line.

You’re no different!
 
Please justify what you just said. They have never held office, therefore have no track record yet you dismiss them. I can remember back to the days of Ted Heath and there's not one single government that has improved the country since. They're all in it for themselves and their mates. I voted for them at the last election and will do so at the next. It took me a long time to realise that labour and the Tories don't give a shit about the average person.
UKIP MEPs had the lowest attendance of any party in the whole of the EU. Farage hasn't held one single surgery in Clacton yet. Is this not evidence that they have no interest in improving the country?
 
The government sees fit to write cheques for tens of millions every month to the hotel groups housing the illegals, I'm just asking them to sign a cheque for 20k for my mother. Do you see where I'm coming from? It's about choices and the government don't give a shit.
Ang the government writes cheques for aid to Ukraine or in supporting Israel or pay grants for various projects in the community some of which never help the community and countless other things. End of the day, it is about choice. So your mums op is not held up because of illegal immigration, it is due to the choices of the government.
 
Honestly is there anything to go on other than they’d be a complete disaster? Their rhetoric is divisive and vile, day after day one of their candidates are linked to racism, their only policy seems to be ‘stop the boats’ without an actual plan how to do that and they are led by a frog faced fucker who instigated Brexit.

I agree, but we don’t know for sure.

Labour won a big majority and promised a lot, but they’ve gone back on a lot they promised, I’m waiting to see if things improve in the next four years. If not, the people will vote for the party they think will benefit them the most.
 
My 89 year old mother needs a new knee, she's decided to dip into her life savings and pay the fee for the operation. She's completely housebound with little quality of life and has decided she can't wait a relative eternity for the NHS to do the job. Would it be possible for just 20k of that 0.5 billion to be given to her to cover the cost!
That's the reality of the illegal immigration gravy train and how it impacts our citizens. These people will have the begging bowl out for the rest of their lives if they are allowed to stay here. Who is more deserving of that money, my mother or those illegals?
If "they are allowed to stay here" they will almost certainly work, often doing the low-paid work many British people don't want to do.

However, your mother isn't being deprived of a new knee because of immigration, any more than she is because we are sending arms to Ukraine. But that's how the right frame it and it works. People believe it because they want to.

Historically there have always been scapegoats; historically they've always been outsiders, whether they were Jewish, black or Irish people. Now it's the turn of immigrants, whipped up by Farage and Jenrick: the politics of hate and division.
 
So far this morning I have seen an interview from the newly elected Reform Mayor of Hull and East Yorkshire promise he will not raise anyone's taxes and the newly elected Durham councillor Darren Grimes saying he wants Reform to fix Brexit and tackle immigration. As I have repeatedly said they have no idea what they have just won - its about bus routes, planning applications and public parks not setting taxes nor setting immigration policies. Being a local councillor is graft, its time consuming and will have local people expecting local results. People better be ready to reap what they sow because a failed TV presenter ranting about people who have brown skin will not repair any pot holes any time soon. Expect stories of Reform councillors not attending and when they do de-railing meetings
 
Ang the government writes cheques for aid to Ukraine or in supporting Israel or pay grants for various projects in the community some of which never help the community and countless other things. End of the day, it is about choice. So your mums op is not held up because of illegal immigration, it is due to the choices of the government.
You are indeed correct. The government's decisions on how our taxes are spent is the real issue. It shows how far down the pecking order ordinary citizens are. My mother's health and wellbeing isn't a priority for them but looking after illegals is.
 
And there we have it: "illegals."

Anyone entering the UK without special permission or a relevant visa is breaking UK law.

That kind of makes it and them, illegal.

Minor detail I know but there we have it.
 
Ang the government writes cheques for aid to Ukraine or in supporting Israel or pay grants for various projects in the community some of which never help the community and countless other things. End of the day, it is about choice. So your mums op is not held up because of illegal immigration, it is due to the choices of the government.

if you believe they are writing cheques for Ukraine then you are deluded. They are sending aid - mostly that will be in equipment so things like logistics, vehicles and weapons systems that were lying fallow because they were procured when we had much larger armed forces and ended up being stored ( and maintained at cost ) in warehouses and hangars waiting for the day someone at the MOD gets the nod to get rid anyway. Also they are sending loads of ration packs - mre's nearing their use by date so instead of just burning them they get used. Its all got a value and thats what they mean when they say aid "to the value" of say £100m
 

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