Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think you appear to be making the same mistake as those people who voted for remain who were incredulous at the outcome of the referendum, namely operating in an echo chamber to some extent.

There is a strong, solid rump of people who support Reform. I would guess about 15% of the electorate. And then there’s another cohort who would contemplate voting for them if things (in their eyes) continue to get worse and/or they feel the need to protest at the status quo. I’d put that figure about 10%. Which equals 25% on a good day. I think that is their ceiling, give or take, because I’d say the rest of the electorate would never contemplate voting for Reform under any circumstances and under FPTP this will present a huge obstacle to what you stridently predict to be a certain outcome.

The support for Reform is real and sustainable, but there is a limit to the number of people who will lend their support however ‘bad’ things get. I’d say about a third of ‘natural’ Tories are part of the grouping who would never vote Reform; left wing, liberal conservatives, who if the Conservative Party ceased to exist tomorrow would gravitate towards the LibDems because of their liberal sensibilities and the fact that they aren’t negatively affected by immigration overall.

I don’t think the sums add up for an outright majority for Reform for the foreseeable.
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people are just getting giddy for a number of reasons but the reality is Reform have about 3% of all the council seats in England. Thats not a winning score by any measure
 
bluethrunthru said:
people are just getting giddy for a number of reasons but the reality is Reform have about 3% of all the council seats in England. Thats not a winning score by any measure
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I think those of a liberal disposition (such as myself) would be foolish to dismiss the rise of Reform as insignificant and/or transient because it’s both real and sustainable, but there is (imo) a limit to their appeal which is based (lamentably perhaps) in self interest as much as anything.

A middle class couple on over £100k each who live in suburbia and commute to a big city are not going to be affected by mass immigration in the same way as a working class couple who are living cheek by jowl with large numbers of immigrants with all the challenges on public services that provides.

I guess if the economy collapses then the dynamics could change but there are too many inveterate liberals atm to suggest that Reform can get a majority.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The only thing I’m finding hard to believe is the fact that you think I’m going to get in my car and drive to Hexthorpe on a bank holiday weekend to conduct a vox pop on the frequency of Romas shitting in the street.
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Just take his word for it or pop up there yourself simples. I was on a site in town few weeks back and a painter got caught short and took a shit on the floor protection on a corridor. Cleaners grassed him up when they caught him throwing it in the bin. Some dirty cunts about so nothing surprises me.
 
bluethrunthru said:
people are just getting giddy for a number of reasons but the reality is Reform have about 3% of all the council seats in England. Thats not a winning score by any measure
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Hmmmm... how many did they win out of all that they contested... I'll tell you:

out of 1,641 they contested they won 677 and lost 0.

Labour won 98 behind the Lib Dems (370) and Tories (319)

Labour lost 189, the Tories lost 677 whilst the Lib Dems gained 183.

So I suppose using your logic we should send a message to Southampton Omnibus Co. to start warming up the bus for the Premiership trophy parade.... whereas back in the real world they are just like Labour anchored to the bottom of the league.... suck it fellah, suck it up because its reality, its the truth and you just cannot take defeat magnanimously and recognise that they have fucked up big time and just handed the country on a platter to those you detest most... No one to blame except Labour who had the chance to turn the country around... and have failed spectacularly in the verdict of the British Public.

Come on.... more of the same just

FURTHER and FASTER
 
BTH said:
I'd be interested to hear what your solution is...
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That my friend is very simple.

Anyone that lands on British soil that has no legitimate identity documentation will NOT be processed or considered for Asylum.

Maybe Labour could negotiate with another country that is prepared to take them.... I dunno, somewhere like Rwanda?
 
tweety said:
My 89 year old mother needs a new knee, she's decided to dip into her life savings and pay the fee for the operation. She's completely housebound with little quality of life and has decided she can't wait a relative eternity for the NHS to do the job. Would it be possible for just 20k of that 0.5 billion to be given to her to cover the cost!
That's the reality of the illegal immigration gravy train and how it impacts our citizens. These people will have the begging bowl out for the rest of their lives if they are allowed to stay here. Who is more deserving of that money, my mother or those illegals?
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And yet, here we are on a thread for Reform, whose leader has said he doesn't want the NHS to be publicly funded at all.
 
Oldham Exile said:
TBF - I think that that response to a post saying

"Find a Reform voter that isn't racist."

Can be given credibility / benefit of any doubt

I thought that the narrative is that anyone that would vote for Reform is stupid. Well, I must say - for someone to post that suggests that it is clearly not only Reform voters

And - are you doubling down?
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I can't be bothered to go all the way back in the thread, but it was basically one person saying he voted Reform and was not racist, another agreed, and I asked how they "knew" each other wasn't unless they knew each other.

I'm not doubling down on anything, but just to reiterate that when people say what option is there, they already have some knowledge of the way Reform and its' leaders persuaded the electorate to make the country £100bn/year worse off and are apparently prepard to let the very same grifters actually run the country/council. In my mind that is not an option that is remotely worth considering.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
That my friend is very simple.

Anyone that lands on British soil that has no legitimate identity documentation will NOT be processed or considered for Asylum.

Maybe Labour could negotiate with another country that is prepared to take them.... I dunno, somewhere like Rwanda?
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A pig ignorant take-for starters Rwanda was an exchange scheme.
 
Durham County council is the largest council in the north east, employs 18,000 people and has a budget of £1.3 billion. Like all councils, its responsibilities are vast, complex and wide ranging and the fate of all of it now rests on the shoulders of 60-odd newly elected Reform councillors, most of whom will be only interested in immigrants, culture wars and net zero and these issues will now be shoe- horned into every thing the council does. They'll go marching in convinced, like everyone on the right, that anyone and everyone working in the public sector is a bone idle, on the fiddle, free- loading waste of space. Their approach to everyday things such as refuse collection and recycling, and applications for food takeaways from immigrants are going to be interesting to say the least and the new councillors are in for quite a shock when their 'common sense' world view crashes into the council's statutory obligations. I predict a mass exodus of senior management.
 
bluethrunthru said:
people are just getting giddy for a number of reasons but the reality is Reform have about 3% of all the council seats in England. Thats not a winning score by any measure
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Whilst it’s true to say that Reform have failed to win any of the seats that haven’t been contested yet, I don’t think that’s the strongest argument I’ve ever seen on here.

I fail to see how the local elections could have gone much better for Reform, but you’re welcome to continue your coping session.

Worth bearing in mind that this forum overwhelmingly leans left, so you people are going to keep getting shocked when the real world intrudes on the echo chamber.

I get that it’s triggering for some to read views that are different to theirs, but conservatives that post on here are actually doing you a favour by expressing opinions that are widely shared, but unfortunately you just can’t see it.

I know the Tories are fucked because my social media leans right, but the real story of the night for me was how well Reform did in traditional Labour areas and what that means going forward.

You clearly haven’t grasped the magnitude of the threat and I hope that continues, because complacency about the challenge posed by Reform led to the Tories getting wiped out, and I’d be delighted to see Labour go the same way.
 
Zuriblue said:
Durham County council is the largest council in the north east, employs 18,000 people and has a budget of £1.3 billion. Like all councils, its responsibilities are vast, complex and wide ranging and the fate of all of it now rests on the shoulders of 60-odd newly elected Reform councillors, most of whom will be only interested in immigrants, culture wars and net zero and these issues will now be shoe- horned into every thing the council does. They'll go marching in convinced, like everyone on the right, that anyone and everyone working in the public sector is a bone idle, on the fiddle, free- loading waste of space. Their approach to everyday things such as refuse collection and recycling, and applications for food takeaways from immigrants are going to be interesting to say the least and the new councillors are in for quite a shock when their 'common sense' world view crashes into the council's statutory obligations. I predict a mass exodus of senior management.
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Wonder which of their newly acquired councils will go bankrupt first.
 
tweety said:
I don't remember seeing you at her doctor's appointment where he told her the expected waiting time for the NHS to do the job. Fuck off.
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You do know that she has the right to move to a different health authority to have the operation. it is, unfortunately inconceivable that the NHS can operate efficiently without waiting lists-it is the length of the list that is important. I don't know where she lives buit the demographics of the area will be key
 
Zuriblue said:
Durham County council is the largest council in the north east, employs 18,000 people and has a budget of £1.3 billion. Like all councils, its responsibilities are vast, complex and wide ranging and the fate of all of it now rests on the shoulders of 60-odd newly elected Reform councillors, most of whom will be only interested in immigrants, culture wars and net zero and these issues will now be shoe- horned into every thing the council does. They'll go marching in convinced, like everyone on the right, that anyone and everyone working in the public sector is a bone idle, on the fiddle, free- loading waste of space. Their approach to everyday things such as refuse collection and recycling, and applications for food takeaways from immigrants are going to be interesting to say the least and the new councillors are in for quite a shock when their 'common sense' world view crashes into the council's statutory obligations. I predict a mass exodus of senior management.
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Senior management in councils with the salaries and perks they have won’t walk anywhere lol.
 
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