VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Kippax77 said:
It will all become much clearer tomorrow when Dermot Gallagher gives his 'expert opinion' to Sly's red audience.
"Never a sending off as Haaland was actually going to turn around and play a back pass to Ortega" will probably be his assessment of it
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They won't mention it because sly don't have the rights to the FA Cup
 
Len Rum said:
Well to be honest I don't know.
The ref missed the incident.
'Clear and obvious error' refers to an incident that has been seen by the ref, a decision has been made and is considered by VAR to be incorrect.
However in this case no refereeing decision was made because the ref didn't see the incident so the 'clear and obvious error' doesn't apply.
What @ Stephen230 seems to be implying is that in such circumstances VAR steps in,makes the decision for the referee who then has to accept it and has no authority to go to the monitor and come to his own decision.
I find this hard to accept because this would mean a distinction in the protocol of how VAR interacts with referees for offences seen by the referee and those which he doesn't see.
But I don't know.
Any VAR experts out there?
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Do we know for certain the referee or linesman missed it or are we all just presuming so. Maybe the referee wasn't sure what he saw, lets be honest it was a crazy and ridiculous risk by the keeper and he asked var to look at it and confirm it for him. Or maybe he did see it and asked var to confirm what he saw. The lack of transparency around var nobidy fucking well know. I had no idea in the ground yesterday what they were reviewing and I still for the life of me can't understand why Haaland didnt stop and make more of it unless he thought the keepers arms were in his area.
 
Bigg Bigg Blue said:
Len, I agree with everything you said however I think that a lot of people are missing 1 important thing.
VAR was brought in to assist with CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ERRORS and that incident yesterday was a clear and obvious error so the var team should have told the ref to go to the monitor. They fucked up big time.
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Fucked up?

I'm more inclined to believe the decision was based around a discussion on 'spoiling the game as a contest'.
 
Blue_eyes said:
Lol, checkout the fa cup final, "KEY MOMENTS" video on youtube, from the official "emirates fa cup" channel.

Guess which "key moment" isnt there, its not even on their longer video.

As you say, airbrushed.
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Yup.

Absolutely complicit in the PiGMOL's corruption. Let them cheat and then pretend it never happened.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
What annoys me more is why didn't VAR get involved in the penalty, as Henderson is clearly off his line.
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Let's face it. VAR was a total stich up from start to finish. The DGSO and off the line for the penalty decisions would have 100% gone in favour of Palace had it been role's reversed. Anyone who says otherwise is either being disingenuous or is totally deluded.
 
Stephen230 said:
Exactly. But rightly, or in this case wrongly, he didn’t think that.

I was just pointing out to the guy who said the referee should have instigated having a look at the screen, that he’s unable to do that.
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From the IFAB VAR protocol:

"The referee can initiate a ‘review’ for a potential ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ when:
- the VAR (or another match official) recommends a ‘review’
- the referee suspects that something serious has been ‘missed’"

And

"For subjective decisions, e.g. intensity of a foul challenge, interference at offside, handball considerations, an ‘on-field review’ (OFR) is appropriate"

This is the only published protocol. PGMOL have their own protocol which may amend the above for one reason or another (probably "another"), but that isn't published afaik.
 
halfcenturyup said:
From the IFAB VAR protocol:

"The referee can initiate a ‘review’ for a potential ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ when:
- the VAR (or another match official) recommends a ‘review’
- the referee suspects that something serious has been ‘missed’"

And

"For subjective decisions, e.g. intensity of a foul challenge, interference at offside, handball considerations, an ‘on-field review’ (OFR) is appropriate"

This is the only published protocol. PGMOL have their own protocol which may amend the above for one reason or another (probably "another"), but that isn't published afaik.
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Thank you.
So he could have gone to the monitor to review the incident.
 
halfcenturyup said:
From the IFAB VAR protocol:

"The referee can initiate a ‘review’ for a potential ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ when:
- the VAR (or another match official) recommends a ‘review’
- the referee suspects that something serious has been ‘missed’"

And

"For subjective decisions, e.g. intensity of a foul challenge, interference at offside, handball considerations, an ‘on-field review’ (OFR) is appropriate"

This is the only published protocol. PGMOL have their own protocol which may amend the above for one reason or another (probably "another"), but that isn't published afaik.
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Thanks for that. I was unaware that a referee can initiate a review. Although I suspect it’s something that very rarely/ never happens.

It also doesn’t alter the fact that initiating a review just puts into motion what we saw on Saturday. It isn’t the referee just bobbing over to the screen to have a look, as so many people would seemingly like to be the protocol.

Although if the referee is admitting he suspects something has happened that he’s completely missed, it might unofficially lower the bar for a VAR intervention. As he’s then effectively judging the incident from scratch, rather than needing to see an obvious error from the referee.
 
Just seen a still of the lino's position relative to the incident.
He's not in line with play. If he had been then he has a much clearer view of the incident and surely flags for an offence.
This in turn would IMO would have forced a decision and review by the ref.
In these changed circumstances the ref might have issued a red card on the spot which VAR would presumably not have overturned as the decision was not a clear and obvious error.
 
I don't buy into this VAR got it wrong.

It's impossible to get that wrong. Clear handball, yes. Clearly stopping a goal scoring chance, yes
Laws of the game, straight red card.

See simple.

The only reason not to apply the laws of the game, is it's bent.

Of course we all knew the keeper would play a blinder after the let of, so it change the game.

Perhaps as I fast approach 65yrs old I'm tired of the poor standard of reffing in this country. I just don't see how a ref, a linesman and var can get this wrong. Personally all involved should be sack, their poor performance cost clubs millions, and players a fair chance of winning medals.
 
Stephen230 said:
I’m not defending the referee. But by not giving anything, his decision is that no offence has taken place. Whether he’s seen it or not.

The second point is it isn’t in the VAR remit to advise referees to ‘have another look’ Maybe it should be. Maybe in the future it will be. But the cold hard fact is, at the moment it isn’t something he is permitted to do.
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It is in the VAR remit to inform the ref has missed a potential red card incident. They didn't in this case????
 
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