VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

TheBeautifulGame said:
I agree it's entertaining. But what's coming from me is not nonsense. I am taking a very logical approach here and am genuinely trying to help those along like our pain loving hard headed friend.
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I don't need your help, you strange person.

Anyway, I want to draw a line under your bullshit.

So you admit you were wrong about accidental handball and you were wrong about the sanction being dependent on if it was deliberate or not.

And I will admit to anything else you want because I don't give a flying fuck what you think any more anyway.

Deal?
 
burning blue soul said:
Your logic stream is incorrect.
You are hanging your whole viewpoint on the direction Erling was heading after the handball.
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On that point, I'm merely trying to explain why the VARs came to their decision, not that I necessarily agree with it. In fact I made it clear that I personally consider it a goal scoring opportunity. I have pointed out the problems with their criteria, their decision-making process, and VAR in general.

burning blue soul said:
You have stated your reasons and are now entrenched. It is a classic example of what we see from refs on a regular basis when they make a mistake (or bad interpretation).

You say that your mentor told you "nobody but refs know the rules" (to paraphrase). That, there, is the root cause of why refs are lambasted so much, because non-refs know a hell of a lot about the rules, and also said rules can be interpreted in so many obscure ways to fit a refs narrative that there actually are no rules of the game.
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This is precisely why I objected to Richard pulling rank and acting like only he (refs) know best. If you read what I wrote in response to Richard you would have avoided this angle, at least towards me. But yes, I actually agree with what you're saying here, the hubris of not only refs, but the entire VAR-induced officiating structure. And I blame VAR for creating this environment, which was pushed by the FIFA President. Bring back Sepp!

Remember the whole reason Sepp was sacked and this VAR guy got in was because of fraud charges which he's now been cleared of twice!



Sepp should be reinstated immediately, he would get rid of VAR in a heartbeat. He was totally against this way of doing things. That's where all these problems stem from - VAR. I'm not saying it was perfect before VAR but compared to this, it was a utopia.

burning blue soul said:
To have an interpretation of Erling heading away from goal you must first disregard the direction the ball is moving and the players (Erling and CP defenders) are moving before the handball offence. Which direction are they heading?
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Erling had misjudged the path of the ball, he was initially running straight towards goal, but then from the bounce he realized he was he was out of position and had to turn away from goal to get to the ball. It is the direction that he was moving just prior to the incident which was the crucial element.

burning blue soul said:
Furthermore, Erling is about to enter the penalty area before the keeper slapped the ball away. Is the penalty area in the direction of goal or not?
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He was about to enter the "outer corner" of the penalty area. The penalty area is a large area, the outer corner is far from goal. It's the direction of play that is stated in the rules not if the edge of the box is in the direction of goal.

burning blue soul said:
Maybe you should check on the penalty area regulations. Why is that space deemed to be such a danger zone that if an offence occurs within it, it is automatically "interpreted" as a penalty kick?
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I'm not sure where you're going with this. The infraction occurred just outside the penalty area and inside the keeper is allowed to handle it.

burning blue soul said:
Maybe because it is within the 'high expectation of a goal being scored' area.
So he's heading for the high goal expectation area, but is "moving away from goal", right?
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It's about the direction he's moving in, which was diagonally / slightly away from goal rather than towards it.

burning blue soul said:
I am sure your mentor also told you, at some point, that "when you fuck up, and you will, just "interpret" your way out of the situation, because nobody knows the rules, and all the rest of the refs will close ranks, anyway"
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Again, wrong guy. Redirect that towards Richard.

burning blue soul said:
i work with sensitive information that i distribute. This information cannot be wrong. Even when it is wrong, it has to be believed to be right. If people lose faith in the information, then shit will get bad. It is the same with football laws.

Football rules must be believed to be working for all to buy into the process. Governing bodies must back the lawmakers and decision makers, otherwise the game is lost. But, that doesn't mean the rules can be manipulated to suit each contrivance.
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I wholly agree with that. Well said.

burning blue soul said:
Let me leave you with another question. If Kovacic didn't pull back the Bournemouth player but slapped the through ball away with his hand, even though the attacker was further away from gaol, even though the keeper was still to beat, even though you dont know if the attacker would have made a bad touch to push the ball wide, even if the attacking player hadn't actually touched the ball at all at that point, would he have been sent off?
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If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle.

burning blue soul said:
We are not all as rules ignorant as your, evidently, bad mentor believes.
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Richard's mentor.
 
halfcenturyup said:
#2844
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That's a bit of putting the cart before the horse. But as I said, I would like to mend fences. Remember not too long ago we were generally on the same page. I considered you one of the strongest voices against VAR.

We had a little dust up but this is not beyond repair. I think the solution is to focus on what we agree on rather than getting stuck on minor disagreements.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
So you would have us believe that only you know best and that we "supporters" are all mere peons compared to you oh wise one who has been so thoroughly trained by your mentor to believe that "players, managers and supporters" inherently do not understand the laws of the game.

Ironically it is through that prism that you should be lecturing us all on why Henderson was not determined to have denied an "obvious" goal scoring opportunity by the means that are laid out in the LOTG. If you are such a qualified expert on the laws as you profess to be then you would know that Haaland would have needed to be moving towards goal which he wasn't and you'd be confirming my view of the situation.

So save me the hubris about you inherently knowing better because you profess to be a qualified referee and as such it would be beneath you to continue engaging with us common folk. The fact is that you could offer no response to #2,801 and proceeded to head for the exit.

Happy trails to you . . . until we meet again.
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I am not lecturing to the masses. Only you. And you have quite clearly proven the point with your inane ramblings.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
On that point, I'm merely trying to explain why the VARs came to their decision, not that I necessarily agree with it. In fact I made it clear that I personally consider it a goal scoring opportunity. I have pointed out the problems with their criteria, their decision-making process, and VAR in general.


This is precisely why I objected to Richard pulling rank and acting like only he (refs) know best. If you read what I wrote in response to Richard you would have avoided this angle, at least towards me. But yes, I actually agree with what you're saying here, the hubris of not only refs, but the entire VAR-induced officiating structure. And I blame VAR for creating this environment, which was pushed by the FIFA President. Bring back Sepp!

Remember the whole reason Sepp was sacked and this VAR guy got in was because of fraud charges which he's now been cleared of twice!



Sepp should be reinstated immediately, he would get rid of VAR in a heartbeat. He was totally against this way of doing things. That's where all these problems stem from - VAR. I'm not saying it was perfect before VAR but compared to this, it was a utopia.


Erling had misjudged the path of the ball, he was initially running straight towards goal, but then from the bounce he realized he was he was out of position and had to turn away from goal to get to the ball. It is the direction that he was moving just prior to the incident which was the crucial element.


He was about to enter the "outer corner" of the penalty area. The penalty area is a large area, the outer corner is far from goal. It's the direction of play that is stated in the rules not if the edge of the box is in the direction of goal.


I'm not sure where you're going with this. The infraction occurred just outside the penalty area and inside the keeper is allowed to handle it.


It's about the direction he's moving in, which was diagonally / slightly away from goal rather than towards it.


Again, wrong guy. Redirect that towards Richard.


I wholly agree with that. Well said.


If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle.


Richard's mentor.
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You're a bit of a 'picky, choosy, with answers' kind of bloke, aren't you?

And where the fuck is this mythical Richard character? Bring him to me!!!
 
burning blue soul said:
You're a bit of a 'picky, choosy, with answers' kind of bloke, aren't you?

And where the fuck is this mythical Richard character? Bring him to me!!!
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What timing. And there he is!!

richardtheref said:
I am not lecturing to the masses. Only you. And you have quite clearly proven the point with your inane ramblings.
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You pulled rank on me. But really on all of us. After all I'm just another supporter. You're the supposed expert. And if you're such a rules expert, then care to explain why they didn't give Henderson a red card? This should be fun.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
That's a bit of putting the cart before the horse. But as I said, I would like to mend fences. Remember not too long ago we were generally on the same page. I considered you one of the strongest voices against VAR.

We had a little dust up but this is not beyond repair. I think the solution is to focus on what we agree on rather than getting stuck on minor disagreements.
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No deal, obviously. Fair enough.

As always, I will agree with you when you are imho right, and disagree with you when imho you talk bollocks. Like you did at the start of all this with no red card because the handball was marginal and no penalty because the defender got a slight touch on the ball.

Anyway, you be you. Your reputation, insofar as it was, on here has taken a hammering in the last ten days.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Can't believe people are still taking The Beautiful Game's bait. Haha
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The guy is a prick..he's just trying to wind blues up..they should just ignore him..so much easier and saves time reading his monotonous dialogues.
If everyone just ignored him then he would get bored and fuck off back to rawk or redcafe..
 
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