Which raises the argument of once he entered the crowded area what could he have done. Remained in his car and see how it develops, I doubt the crowd would have calmly waited. He'll argue he felt his life was at risk and he panickedHe is staying with the police as they do not have enough for attempted murder. That is clear, there is enough footage to show that he didn't set out to murder anyone and within that footage shows him slowly working his way through, beeping when pedestrians are crossing him and even a video where he breaks sharply to make sure he doesn't hit someone.
His defence will still be his actions were caused in panic and distress at the yobs smashing his widows. There is no reasonable explanation to then excuse his actions but that will be his defence. Attempted murder wont stick and why CPS are probably wanting more. As mad as it sounds it could end up being driving dangerously, driving under the influence, GBH? Maybe but again it is down to intent and he can reasonably argue his sole intention was to get out of that road, not ram people out the way intentionally to harm them. It isn't clear cut at all and if it was there wouldn't be a need for any extensions in holding him.
Manslaughter would be even more difficult to prove since he didn't kill anyone!Agree I don't understand why the police are going down the attempt murder charge.
Manslaughter is more likely, unless the police have found proof in his house or car that he set out to kill people.
perhaps-but it all begins to unfold when you consider why did he tailgate an ambulance into a large crowd? that would be a line of questioning if that were his account.He is staying with the police as they do not have enough for attempted murder. That is clear, there is enough footage to show that he didn't set out to murder anyone and within that footage shows him slowly working his way through, beeping when pedestrians are crossing him and even a video where he breaks sharply to make sure he doesn't hit someone.
His defence will still be his actions were caused in panic and distress at the yobs smashing his widows. There is no reasonable explanation to then excuse his actions but that will be his defence. Attempted murder wont stick and why CPS are probably wanting more. As mad as it sounds it could end up being driving dangerously, driving under the influence, GBH? Maybe but again it is down to intent and he can reasonably argue his sole intention was to get out of that road, not ram people out the way intentionally to harm them. It isn't clear cut at all and if it was there wouldn't be a need for any extensions in holding him.
I've just edited it ;)Manslaughter would be even more difficult to prove since he didn't kill anyone!
You can unravel what everybody could have done. Just like the fans smashing fuck out of his car, could they have kept their head and not made the situation a million times worse and as you say his argument will be he panicked.Which raises the argument of once he entered the crowded area what could he have done. Remained in his car and see how it develops, I doubt the crowd would have calmly waited. He'll argue he felt his life was at risk and he panicked
I am going to imagine he wasn't aware initially that it was leading to a large crowd and may have felt he was gaining a shortcut. That will be his reasoning or along them lines probably.perhaps-but it all begins to unfold when you consider why did he tailgate an ambulance into a large crowd? that would be a line of questioning if that were his account.
Usually the case in a multi-person casualty event.The no.of victims increasing even over a day after.
Which raises the argument of once he entered the crowded area what could he have done. Remained in his car and see how it develops, I doubt the crowd would have calmly waited. He'll argue he felt his life was at risk and he panicked
pretty irrelevant what someone has been arrested for-you only need 'suspicion'-its a low bar-the officer who detained him wouldve been the one who uttered those words. Once detention is authorised its appropriate to further arrest for other offences as they come to light as to then enable other processes to follow inc searches and interviews.Agree I don't understand why the police are going down the attempted murder charge.
Attempted Manslaughter is more likely, unless the police have found proof in his house or car that he set out to kill people.
I'm surprised you're using the "tailgate" term. The police never said that, it's the media's spin on it. The police said a flatbed truck that was blocking the street was moved to let an ambulance through. He got through while that truck was out of the way. None of us know how long that truck was moved for, how close to the ambulance he was, or whether he mistakenly assumed the road had been reopened.perhaps-but it all begins to unfold when you consider why did he tailgate an ambulance into a large crowd? that would be a line of questioning if that were his account.
Well I hope I am wrong but for me they may have gone down the more serious route of attempted murder to appease the masses. Emotions were high and maybe they wanted to show they are going down as strong as possible. Who knows but it did seem ambitious when they said that originally.Agree I don't understand why the police are going down the attempted murder charge.
Attempted Manslaughter is more likely, unless the police have found proof in his house or car that he set out to kill people.
quite possibly-its clearly complex..and we are not party to all the evidence.You can unravel what everybody could have done. Just like the fans smashing fuck out of his car, could they have kept their head and not made the situation a million times worse and as you say his argument will be he panicked.
I am going to imagine he wasn't aware initially that it was leading to a large crowd and may have felt he was gaining a shortcut. That will be his reasoning or along them lines probably.
I though the Asst Chief said that word in the press briefing?I'm surprised you're using the "tailgate" term. The police never said that, it's the media's spin on it. The police said a flatbed truck that was blocking the street was moved to let an ambulance through. He got through while that truck was out of the way. None of us know how long that truck was moved for, how close to the ambulance he was, or whether he mistakenly assumed the road had been reopened.
Exactly, but if it was clear cut they wouldn't need to keep extending his presence.quite possibly-its clearly complex..and we are not party to all the evidence.
Attempted manslaughter is legally impossible.I've just edited it ;)
Sorry, I'm on a pedantic roll here... I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as attempted manslaughter as you can't attempt to unintentionally kill someone.I've just edited it ;)
you can't detain somebody like that without arresting them for something-its obv that any officer grabbing him at that moment having seen some of the carnage wouldve then arrested him for that.Well I hope I am wrong but for me they may have gone down the more serious route of attempted murder to appease the masses. Emotions were high and maybe they wanted to show they are going down as strong as possible. Who knows but it did seem ambitious when they said that originally.
she did.I thought the Asst Chief said that word in the press briefing?
I don’t think this is trueHe definitely did tailgate the ambulance, which was responding to a suspected heart attack. The barriers were opened for less than a minute to allow the ambulance in, and he followed it. Now, he might well not have known he wasn't supposed to go in there and that is why it's important that the sequencing is properly understood.
If he went in and hit someone or someone's with his car, then the attack on the car happened that quite different than if he was sitting waiting for the crowd to disperse, and was attacked for no apparent reason.
Thing is, off his tits on coke and now charged with attempted (edited) murder means he's bolloxed, and rightly so.
Yeah which is what has happened, to then say it is for attemoted murder but need extensions because you don't have enough of a case shows they were reaching for me.you can't detain somebody like that without arresting them for something-its obv that any officer grabbing him at that moment having seen some of the carnage wouldve then arrested him for that.