Pretty much sums it up. Add to that the fact that HMRC and the police have no interest. What the club and in effect snr execs are accused of would result in prison time if true - not some wanky PL sanctions.
it'd all be sorted by teatime, surely
Said it before and ill say it again but until i see HMRC or the police knocking at our doors im not even in the least bit concerned, to surmise that members of a foreign royal family, the chinese government, one of the biggest hedge funds in the entire world, one of the biggest airlines in the world, plus multiple prominent sportsmen and businessman, plus 3 of the pre eminent audit companies all committed wide scale fraud in order to help a football club who with the best will in the world doesnt rank in their top 50 investments in terms of monetary value is mental thinking.
they go down that route and we riot, they should be raising tariffs on any eejit that calls them muffins.
ChatGPT query:
| Area | Benefit |
|---|---|
| Legal | Weakens PL’s obstruction claims; leans on statute limitations |
| Reputational | Transparent cooperation + governance boosts fan and sponsor confidence |
| Financial | Controlled fine over escalated penalties or appeal costs |
| Sporting | Avoidance of point deductions preserves competitive standing |
| Long‑term | Governance reforms reduce risk of future disputes |
Final TakeAwaiting a swift Stefan pooh-poohing.ChatGPT query:
"Analyse the topic 'PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules' and all posts at the following URL, https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forums/bluemoon-forum.1/ . And use a summary of the key points raised to provide a solution to Manchester City's 115 charges case with the Premier League."
Response:
Here’s a refined breakdown of the forum discussions around the “PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules,” along with a strategic proposal to help Manchester City address the situation effectively.
Key Forum Takeaways
1. Perception of a Political “Witch‑Hunt”
- Many fans view the PL’s 115 charges as overly broad and emotionally driven:
- “They’ve failed to stop us on the field, so now they’re trying to stop us from the boardroom” (forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk).
- The belief that City is being unfairly targeted—unlike other clubs—is pervasive .
2. Dispute Over Alleged “Obstruction”
- The club has contested the PL’s accusations of non-cooperation, framing PL requests as unreasonable:
- “PL have attempted to wildly overstep… private families, multinational businesses… City were in no position to give those details” (forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk).
3. Legal & Financial Context
- Forum users consistently highlight the lack of criminal intent:
- Difficult to prove “fraud” without showing tangible loss or wrongdoing.
- Historical precedent: UEFA charges were overturned by CAS due to time‑limits, not innocence (reddit.com, forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk, forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk).
4. Fan Attitudes Toward Sanctions
- Most expect a financial penalty or transfer embargo—relegation is seen as unlikely:
- “I imagine it'll be a hefty fine and a smallish points deduction if guilty” (reddit.com, followfollow.com).
- Comparisons to Juventus/Rangers show relegation is legally feasible but politically complex .
5. Reputational Damage
- A clear concern: even unfounded charges harm the club’s brand and recruiter appeal (forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk).
- The scale of the probe has fueled public suspicion, regardless of outcome .
Strategic Solution for Manchester City
To best navigate the Premier League’s proceedings and protect the club's integrity, a proactive, multi-pronged approach is recommended:
1. Structured Cooperation Framework
- Selective transparency: Establish a clear schedule to deliver requested documentation, even if limited in scope.
- Defined boundaries: Provide legally sound reasoning for withheld records tied to third-party sensitivities, while still demonstrating progress to the PL.
2. Targeted Legal Strategy
- Challenge the “failure to co-operate” charges: Argue that PL demands exceed their rulebook jurisdiction, building on prior CAS commentary (reddit.com).
- Focus on statute limitations: Reference the UEFA precedent that saw charges dismissed for timeliness (e.g., Der Spiegel era transactions) .
3. Robust PR Campaign
- Proactive narrative control: Push out clear, concise briefings outlining cooperation milestones, and transparent legal positions.
- Highlight procedural nuances: Educate fans and media about FFP and PSR complexities to illustrate the legitimacy behind City’s resistance.
- Emotional reassurance: Emphasise fan support and preserve club morale by centering around shared values and legacy, beyond politics or finance.
4. Negotiated Settlement Offer
- Mitigation over confrontation: Present a deal comprising a modest fine, but NO points deduction or sports ban.
- Avoid prolonged litigation: Seek to limit the PL’s leverage and public backlash by securing a confidential settlement that halts legal escalation.
- Recovery roadmap: Include mutual agreement on lifting of restrictions after one season and a commitment to enhanced internal compliance thereafter.
5. Internal Governance & Compliance Overhaul
- appoint independent auditors: Engage a respected external compliance firm to audit financial practices.
- Implement governance updates: Adopt transparent protocols for sponsorship valuation and third-party payments.
- Regular disclosures: Quarterly compliance statements, especially tied to player contracts or image-rights deals, to restore public trust.
Anticipated Outcomes
Area Benefit Legal Weakens PL’s obstruction claims; leans on statute limitations Reputational Transparent cooperation + governance boosts fan and sponsor confidence Financial Controlled fine over escalated penalties or appeal costs Sporting Avoidance of point deductions preserves competitive standing Long‑term Governance reforms reduce risk of future disputes By blending cooperative disclosure, selective legal resistance, PR clarity, settlement negotiation, and compliance reform, Manchester City could:
Let me know if you’d like a draft settlement proposal, sample PR messaging, or a compliance roadmap!
- Diffuse the PL’s narrative that the club is evading scrutiny;
- Minimize punitive measures and avoid a divisive legal battle;
- Rebuild stakeholder confidence and shield the brand ahead of future seasons.
ChatGPT query:
"Analyse the topic 'PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules' and all posts at the following URL, https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forums/bluemoon-forum.1/ . And use a summary of the key points raised to provide a solution to Manchester City's 115 charges case with the Premier League."
Response:
Here’s a refined breakdown of the forum discussions around the “PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules,” along with a strategic proposal to help Manchester City address the situation effectively.
Key Forum Takeaways
1. Perception of a Political “Witch‑Hunt”
- Many fans view the PL’s 115 charges as overly broad and emotionally driven:
- “They’ve failed to stop us on the field, so now they’re trying to stop us from the boardroom” (forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk).
- The belief that City is being unfairly targeted—unlike other clubs—is pervasive .
2. Dispute Over Alleged “Obstruction”
- The club has contested the PL’s accusations of non-cooperation, framing PL requests as unreasonable:
- “PL have attempted to wildly overstep… private families, multinational businesses… City were in no position to give those details” (forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk).
3. Legal & Financial Context
- Forum users consistently highlight the lack of criminal intent:
- Difficult to prove “fraud” without showing tangible loss or wrongdoing.
- Historical precedent: UEFA charges were overturned by CAS due to time‑limits, not innocence (reddit.com, forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk, forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk).
4. Fan Attitudes Toward Sanctions
- Most expect a financial penalty or transfer embargo—relegation is seen as unlikely:
- “I imagine it'll be a hefty fine and a smallish points deduction if guilty” (reddit.com, followfollow.com).
- Comparisons to Juventus/Rangers show relegation is legally feasible but politically complex .
5. Reputational Damage
- A clear concern: even unfounded charges harm the club’s brand and recruiter appeal (forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk).
- The scale of the probe has fueled public suspicion, regardless of outcome .
Strategic Solution for Manchester City
To best navigate the Premier League’s proceedings and protect the club's integrity, a proactive, multi-pronged approach is recommended:
1. Structured Cooperation Framework
- Selective transparency: Establish a clear schedule to deliver requested documentation, even if limited in scope.
- Defined boundaries: Provide legally sound reasoning for withheld records tied to third-party sensitivities, while still demonstrating progress to the PL.
2. Targeted Legal Strategy
- Challenge the “failure to co-operate” charges: Argue that PL demands exceed their rulebook jurisdiction, building on prior CAS commentary (reddit.com).
- Focus on statute limitations: Reference the UEFA precedent that saw charges dismissed for timeliness (e.g., Der Spiegel era transactions) .
3. Robust PR Campaign
- Proactive narrative control: Push out clear, concise briefings outlining cooperation milestones, and transparent legal positions.
- Highlight procedural nuances: Educate fans and media about FFP and PSR complexities to illustrate the legitimacy behind City’s resistance.
- Emotional reassurance: Emphasise fan support and preserve club morale by centering around shared values and legacy, beyond politics or finance.
4. Negotiated Settlement Offer
- Mitigation over confrontation: Present a deal comprising a modest fine, but NO points deduction or sports ban.
- Avoid prolonged litigation: Seek to limit the PL’s leverage and public backlash by securing a confidential settlement that halts legal escalation.
- Recovery roadmap: Include mutual agreement on lifting of restrictions after one season and a commitment to enhanced internal compliance thereafter.
5. Internal Governance & Compliance Overhaul
- appoint independent auditors: Engage a respected external compliance firm to audit financial practices.
- Implement governance updates: Adopt transparent protocols for sponsorship valuation and third-party payments.
- Regular disclosures: Quarterly compliance statements, especially tied to player contracts or image-rights deals, to restore public trust.
Anticipated Outcomes
Area Benefit Legal Weakens PL’s obstruction claims; leans on statute limitations Reputational Transparent cooperation + governance boosts fan and sponsor confidence Financial Controlled fine over escalated penalties or appeal costs Sporting Avoidance of point deductions preserves competitive standing Long‑term Governance reforms reduce risk of future disputes By blending cooperative disclosure, selective legal resistance, PR clarity, settlement negotiation, and compliance reform, Manchester City could:
Let me know if you’d like a draft settlement proposal, sample PR messaging, or a compliance roadmap!
- Diffuse the PL’s narrative that the club is evading scrutiny;
- Minimize punitive measures and avoid a divisive legal battle;
- Rebuild stakeholder confidence and shield the brand ahead of future seasons.
Not sure that is possible without the substantive ruling being published first, @slbsn would know I think.
i wouldnt think so, the decision will be made and be known then its up to whoever to appeal should they wish to do so and thats if there are grounds to do so,certain criatera has to be met for appeals, lets say the PL have the result and its not good for them i dont think it can be delayed or brushed under the rug to suit there needs, same aplies to the club, its a waiting game i'm afraid but it does seem to be draging for whatever reasons
Hell no it would suggest we all have corned beef for tea
as long as its not with fecking ketchup
Or @snorky adventures as a professional pork swordsman