London bound Air India 787 Dreamliner crashes at Ahmedabad

They either seem to have made a complete botch of the take-off or there's been a serious failure once they started their take-off run. No flaps (possibly a hydraulic problem but you wouldn't even attempt take-off if you knew there was a problem).

Also seems like the pilot ran out of room on the runway and just got it into the air, but without flaps deployed, there's only one way it was going to end. Horrific.
 
Grassland Blue said:
Will the rest of that aircraft type have to be grounded now, or will that be after the FDR has been examined ?
Hopefully the cause is pilot error rather than a mechanical fault.
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Always Ali said:
1st fatalities since it went operational in 2011. Considering the amount of 787's flying, it's an excellent safety record.
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It has a great record.

I was more thinking of the optics overall for Boeing given recent years.
 
Even more amazing was the woman in a plane that crashed into the Empire State building (I think). Somehow survived, put into a lift that then snapped and fell all the way down. And she survived that too!
 
mcfcphil said:
True - but I’ve sometimes wondered what those 10 seconds or so would be like.

Plane crashes are fairly unique in the fact that you are fully aware you are completely fucked and there is nothing you can do about it.

If you’re in a car crash for example, your thought process in those final seconds would be purely focussed on trying to evade whatever you’re about to hit / avoid serious injury. Likewise other life threatening situations such as getting caught in a terrorist attack - you are fully focused on finding a way not to die.

Plane crash - you have however many seconds/minutes to contemplate inevitable death.
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You’ve summed up why I don’t fly. Everything is out of my control 33,000 feet in the air. Fuck that.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
You’ve summed up why I don’t fly. Everything is out of my control 33,000 feet in the air. Fuck that.
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The flight is always the least stressful part of my journey precisely for that reason, especially flying UK to West Coast of the USA. From wheels-up to wheels-down, the only thing I need to worry about in the next 11 hours is grabbing the attention of the cabin staff when the drinks trolley comes round.
 
Toney’s bookie said:
787 pilot here

Very, very sad to see. All sorts of theories floating around - many of them clearly total rubbish. Beware of talking heads on news channels presented as ‘experts’. Give such ‘experts’ as much caution as we give ‘experts’ talking about City. Hopefully they can recover the FDR (black box) and get some info out asap.
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I'm willing to almost bet a dollar that it's inadequate maintenance rather than pilot error or something like that. The RAT being deployed certainly points to as such..

I bet it's really stressful for pilots to have to trust planes that aren't being maintained properly just because the airlines want to save money and increase profits in any way possible.

Hope you're able to take a few days off before your next flight and best wishes!

oakiecokie said:
How the fuck has that man survived. WOW just WOW !!
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Your survival chances are really good if you're not too close to the impact point or the fuel or the smoke. Well that and luck I suppose.

RIP to the victims.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The flight is always the least stressful part of my journey precisely for that reason, especially flying UK to West Coast of the USA. From wheels-up to wheels-down, the only thing I need to worry about in the next 11 hours is grabbing the attention of the cabin staff when the drinks trolley comes round.
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Hearing that, and I know the counter can be that whilst I am in control of my car, I’m not in control of whoever decides to smash into me from whatever cause. I last flew 2016 and I hated every blood sucking minute of it. Was never an issue when I was younger.

Safe to say shoukd I ever have to fly again, 11a will be my seat
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Hearing that, and I know the counter can be that whilst I am in control of my car, I’m not in control of whoever decides to smash into me from whatever cause. I last flew 2016 and I hated every blood sucking minute of it. Was never an issue when I was younger.

Safe to say shoukd I ever have to fly again, 11a will be my seat
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Not sure what's happened, but isn't this the plane that caused the mysterious death of 2 Boeing whistle-blowers
 

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