Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[Deleted member 10327]

If Iran switch to attacking shipping leaving the Gulf. Then it might escalate as the west won’t want the price of oil going through the roof.

 

[BlueHammer85]

One step closer to WW3 unfortunately.

That’s been said since start of the Cold War after WW2

 

[SWP's back]

I am hoping you mean that in a semi-sarcastic/ironic way.

Of course he isn’t.

 

[The blue phantom]

I don't think he's said anything about protecting Israel on this occasion - happy to be shown otherwise but seems like he's been very deliberate in his wording and has avoided saying exactly that. They are moving the jets to our own military bases in the middle-east because Iran directly threatened the UK. The government released a statement earlier today saying they haven't provided any military assistance to Israel (so far). Obviously, whether they will if things continue remains to be seen.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-14/uk-sends-jets-to-protect-its-military-bases-over-iran-threat

Personally, I can't see us getting directly involved in this unless we're dragged into it.

I get that people are upset at the government's lack of action to stop Israel, and I agree with the sentiment, but we should keep it factual. Whatever Israel is doing right now, we haven't stopped them getting hit in return.

Sunak sent the Jets over a couple of week before Labour got in power to shoot Irans drones down. There's no doubt whatsoever Starmer will fall in line when Trump orders him to do the same. As I've said on here he's already helping the Israeli's with spying missions from Cyprus with Jets flying over Gaza. Also this is the guy who went on record stating Israel have the right to withhold Food & Electricity from the Gazan population. He's a ****.

 

[Chak19]

I'm no fan of Israel (and their actions in Gaza have been massively disproportionate with scant regard paid to the obliteration of civilians) but in this instance they are doing the world a favour. Iran is a massive destabilising regime, as responsible for the plight of the Palestinians as Israel is via its funding of Hamas and Hizbollah which essentially gave Israel and its psycho leader Netanyahu the pretext to flatten Gaza.

Iran getting nukes is unthinkable - nukes are used as a deterrent but if you let religious zealots who actively seek death as a way to martyr themselves and go to a 'better place' get them then you're in a world of trouble. Iran wouldn't hesitate to use nukes.

Iran does represent an existential threat to Israel and basically when you discover a wasps nest in your garden you get rid of it.

This won't be over quickly - Israel will do what it takes to bring down the Iranian regime regardless of the human cost and Iran will respond by undertaking atrocities against Jewish targets in other countries as in reality they are fucked militarily now unless Israel was stupid enough to undertake a land invasion (which it wouldn't as it would have to go through Iraq first). So they'll bomb the fuck out of Iran.

It's not unthinkable at all, Pakistan has them and they have religious zealots in abundance.

 

[Palerider]

What I find quite amazing is that Mossad seem to know exactly where the Hezbollah and Iranian big wigs live, when they are at home and where they meet yet they had zero idea that hundreds of Hamas terrorists on motorbikes were about to attack them !

Conspiracy theories, don't you just love them.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's not unthinkable at all, Pakistan has them and they have religious zealots in abundance.

So does every country but religious zealots aren’t running any of those nuclear counties, and the people that are running those counties are at least rational. Even Netanyahu, **** though he is, operates in the realms of rationality. Anyone who thinks god wants them to embark on a campaign of martyrdom isn’t operating in that space. The leaders of Iran aren’t rational actors.

I’m struggling to see how anyone can think a country having nuclear weapons that is run by cunts that follow a death cult inspired by a sky fairly is anything other than an unbelievably shit idea.

 

[Palerider]

So does every country but religious zealots aren’t running any of those nuclear counties, and the people that are running those counties are at least rational. Even Netanyahu, **** though he is, operates in the realms of rationality. Anyone who thinks god wants them to embark on a campaign of martyrdom isn’t operating in that space. The leaders of Iran aren’t rational actors.

I’m struggling to see how anyone can think a country having nuclear weapons that is run by cunts that follow a death cult inspired by a sky fairly is anything other than an unbelievably shit idea.

Yep. Iran is basically a fascist theocracy with genocidal intent supported by left wing liberals. If it wasn't so serious it could be right out of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yep. Iran is basically a fascist theocracy with genocidal intent supported by left wing liberals. If it wasn't so serious it could be right out of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

Not sure I agree with this part. Some people on the left don’t criticise Iran because their fire is directed towards Irsrael, but that isn’t the same as supporting Iran. I don’t think there’s a single poster in this thread that has expressed support for Iran, simply that (in their view) Israel is worse. I don’t agree with that analysis but I cannot say it’s an irrational one.

Can you point me to a single post expressing support for Iran? Maybe I’ve missed it.

 

[BTH]

So does every country but religious zealots aren’t running any of those nuclear counties, and the people that are running those counties are at least rational. Even Netanyahu, **** though he is, operates in the realms of rationality. Anyone who thinks god wants them to embark on a campaign of martyrdom isn’t operating in that space. The leaders of Iran aren’t rational actors.

I’m struggling to see how anyone can think a country having nuclear weapons that is run by cunts that follow a death cult inspired by a sky fairly is anything other than an unbelievably shit idea.

Netanyahu operates in the realms of rationality.
Really?

 

[Postman Pep]

I'm no fan of Israel (and their actions in Gaza have been massively disproportionate with scant regard paid to the obliteration of civilians) but in this instance they are doing the world a favour. Iran is a massive destabilising regime, as responsible for the plight of the Palestinians as Israel is via its funding of Hamas and Hizbollah which essentially gave Israel and its psycho leader Netanyahu the pretext to flatten Gaza.

Iran getting nukes is unthinkable - nukes are used as a deterrent but if you let religious zealots who actively seek death as a way to martyr themselves and go to a 'better place' get them then you're in a world of trouble. Iran wouldn't hesitate to use nukes.

Iran does represent an existential threat to Israel and basically when you discover a wasps nest in your garden you get rid of it.

This won't be over quickly - Israel will do what it takes to bring down the Iranian regime regardless of the human cost and Iran will respond by undertaking atrocities against Jewish targets in other countries as in reality they are fucked militarily now unless Israel was stupid enough to undertake a land invasion (which it wouldn't as it would have to go through Iraq first). So they'll bomb the fuck out of Iran.

So much cliched nonsense but still not difficult to pick out the worst line. Complete and utter bollocks.

 

[The blue phantom]

So much cliched nonsense but still not difficult to pick out the worst line. Complete and utter bollocks.

These folk watch to much western news channels full of propaganda bollocks.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Netanyahu operates in the realms of rationality.
Really?

I’d say so, as much as I’d say Putin was a rational actor. Netanyahu has strategic goals and is executing them (in a truly reprehensible way in respect of Gaza).

Being misguided, amoral, immoral or cruel aren’t incongruous with being rational. And don’t mistake me ascribing such a characteristic as being intended as anything by way of justification or mitigation, as it arguably makes their conduct worse.

The other elephant in the room is that I don’t think Trump is a rational actor, and nor are a number of people around him.

Do you think Iran having nuclear weapons is a good idea?

 

[Chak19]

So does every country but religious zealots aren’t running any of those nuclear counties, and the people that are running those counties are at least rational. Even Netanyahu, **** though he is, operates in the realms of rationality. Anyone who thinks god wants them to embark on a campaign of martyrdom isn’t operating in that space. The leaders of Iran aren’t rational actors.

I’m struggling to see how anyone can think a country having nuclear weapons that is run by cunts that follow a death cult inspired by a sky fairly is anything other than an unbelievably shit idea.

You're exaggerating, if Iran's leaders didn't have some rationality they would've joined Hamas immediately after October 7th in their campagin of martyrdom, their missile attacks in April and October Against Israel were clearly restrained, they also totally abandoned Hezbollah and left it to crumble, and same thing with Assad when they realised the situation was hopeless.

The main priority of the Mullah regime is to keep ruling Iran with an iron fist and they've shown they are not going to commit suicide to help their proxies, they want nukes for deterrence just like every other **** regime.

 

[robbieh]

These folk watch to much western news channels full of propaganda bollocks.

Exactly this.
I'd suggest some of the ill informed read about Mossadegh and Britain's role in overthrowing Iran's democratically elected leader and the subsequent replacement the Shah who was more to the US's liking until he wasn't.
This episode encapsulates western interference in the region as a whole.

Throw in the fact we encouraged our friend Saddam Hussein to go to war with Iran, until he wasn't our friend. You get the picture.

 

[urban genie]

So does every country but religious zealots aren’t running any of those nuclear counties, and the people that are running those counties are at least rational. Even Netanyahu, **** though he is, operates in the realms of rationality. Anyone who thinks god wants them to embark on a campaign of martyrdom isn’t operating in that space. The leaders of Iran aren’t rational actors.

I’m struggling to see how anyone can think a country having nuclear weapons that is run by cunts that follow a death cult inspired by a sky fairly is anything other than an unbelievably shit idea.

Well tbf any country whose state religion is one ot the Abrihamic ones is technically in danger of that.

Though only 6% of all human conflicts in history were religous 99% of all wars that are, is ususally because of religious zealots and normally the ones following said Sky Fairy

Same god(possibly imanginary) different versions.

Israel and Irans present leaders, makes no difference same god, different cunts using it as an justification to murder, destroy, opress civilins and steal land

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You're exaggerating, if Iran's leaders didn't have some rationality they would've joined Hamas immediately after October 7th, their missile attacks in April and October Against Israel were also clearly restrained, they also totally abandoned Hezbollah and left it to crumble, and same thing with Assad when they realised the situation was hopeless.

The main priority of the Mullah regime is to keep ruling Iran with an iron fist and they've shown they are not going to commit suicide to help their proxies, they want nukes for deterrence just like every other **** regime.

I think the points you make are all valid, but don’t change my view on the overwhelming undesirability of a theocratic death cult regime possessing nuclear weapons, which is presumably, based on what you have posted, not a view you share.

I would feel exactly the same about it being in the hands of US Evangelists.

I think there is a greater risk of a religious leader using a nuclear weapon for theological reasons than a political leader using it for strategic reasons. It looks like you don’t.

You may be correct, but I don’t think it’s worth the risk fwiw.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I’d say so, as much as I’d say Putin was a rational actor. Netanyahu has strategic goals and is executing them (in a truly reprehensible way in respect of Gaza).

Being misguided, amoral, immoral or cruel aren’t incongruous with being rational. And don’t mistake me ascribing such a characteristic as being intended as anything by way of justification or mitigation, as it arguably makes their conduct worse.

The other elephant in the room is that I don’t think Trump is a rational actor, and nor are a number of people around him.

Do you think Iran having nuclear weapons is a good idea?

I was wondering when you’d get to Project 2025.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Exactly this.
I'd suggest some of the ill informed read about Mossadegh and Britain's role in overthrowing Iran's democratically elected leader and the subsequent replacement the Shah who was more to the US's liking until he wasn't.
This episode encapsulates western interference in the region as a whole.

Throw in the fact we encouraged our friend Saddam Hussein to go to war with Iran, until he wasn't our friend. You get the picture.

Again, all valid points, but we are where we are, lamentably.

 

[Kompany Car]

The common theme with Hamas, Nezam and Likud is that they are all in power is because the relevant religious groups allow them to be. The politics of Israel are as intertwined with religion as they are in Iran. They are all theocratic regimes some with no choice, others with the illusion of choice. On the whole, just like people throughout the rest of the world, the average Israeli, Palestinian or Iranian just wants to live peacefully.

Some people in the UK have the view that the population should rise up and demand change, but thats easy to say when you live in a country that has never had a revolution or isnt in a continual state of conflict.