Grooming gang scandal

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It has been explained already, Joe.

The Tories added their amendment to a child welfare bill that they didn’t want going through.

Had they been serious about their wish for an inquiry (with an I), they’d have made sure that it was only the inquiry that what was being voted on, not the welfare of children bill.

So that list of Labour MPs are the ones that allowed the child welfare bill to pass.

Starmer and the government have announced the new inquiry following the review they asked for, not the clamour from social media, as outlined in my previous post.

 

[Brewster's millions]

It has been explained already, Joe.

The Tories added their amendment to a child welfare bill that they didn’t want going through.

Had they been serious about their wish for an inquiry (with an I), they’d have made sure that it was only the inquiry that what was being voted on, not the welfare of children bill.

So that list of Labour MPs are the ones that allowed the child welfare bill to pass.

Starmer and the government have announced the new inquiry following the review they asked for, not the clamour from social media, as outlined in my previous post.

It’s simply not true to suggest that the government asked for a review of the need for a full statutory inquiry, and that they are now acting on the advice of that review.

Baroness Casey was asked to conduct an audit of the data relating to grooming gangs, provide an assessment of the demographics of the gangs and their victims and review the likely drivers of this abuse. The government stressed that this audit was to be conducted quickly, last only a few months and be limited in its scope.

The terms of reference of the audit were published in February, by which time the government had already decided that a full national inquiry wasn’t required - they repeatedly pushed back on that issue - favouring local investigations instead (despite the well publicised shortcomings of this approach).

 

[M18CTID]

This government are not for turning are they?

Only another 3000 or so u-turns before they overtake Johnson

By the way, are you saying that you're not in favour of this inquiry?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It’s simply not true to suggest that the government asked for a review of the need for a full statutory inquiry, and that they are now acting on the advice of that review.

Baroness Casey was asked to conduct an audit of the data relating to grooming gangs, provide an assessment of the demographics of the gangs and their victims and review the likely drivers of this abuse. The government stressed that this audit was to be conducted quickly, last only a few months and be limited in its scope.

The terms of reference of the audit were published in February, by which time the government had already decided that a full national inquiry wasn’t required - they repeatedly pushed back on that issue - favouring local investigations instead (despite the well publicised shortcomings of this approach).

So it isn’t true, yet the audit, not review was undertaken quickly and acted upon receipt.

Got it.

Thanks for leaving out any correction on the MPs voting through the child welfare bill though. It kills Joe’s point dead.

 

[KS55]

Seeing as there is no thread on the grooming gang scandal, its probably best i follow @blueonthru's advice and make a post i made into a thread

There should be a full national enquiry into grooming gangs, just to highlight why those on the far right are exploiting young girls for political capital

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

The problem is that the data is from only 19 out of more than 40 police forces and nearly a decade old

What I do find disturbing is this, children, often from deprived backgrounds, were dismissed as "lacking in credibility" their abusers were allowed to get away with subjecting them to horrific abuse, for too long.

The inquiry into the Telford abuse scandal, which published its report in 2022, found police dismissive of claims of abuse, with one saying "these girls had chosen to go with, I don't know, 'bad boys'".

We need finally to accept what credible research has been telling us for years: that child sexual abuse is not a “Muslim problem” but is endemic to virtually all communities. Look at the numbers: the sheer scale makes the ubiquity of abuse inevitable. An estimated one in 13 adults in England has been sexually abused as children. In 2019/20, police across the UK recorded more than 73,518 sexual offences against children, and the Home Office review itself reminds us that only around one in 10 victims actually disclose child sexual abuse to an official at the time

I have not seen one solid conclusion that people of certain ethnicities groom young girls for sex, the one common denominator as i see it is that it always involves men and a few women who are sexual deviants.

It is time we get to the real truth, far too many young girls and boys have suffered from sexual abuse and it needs to stop. it needs to stop now.

We need to hold a full national inquiry right now to stop those on the idiotic fringe of the far right spreading their poison even further.

It seems like you have already decided what the outcome of the enquiry would be. The first objective of any enquiry is to establish the facts, not to stop people venting their opinion however loony you think it is.
I’d support a fact finding mission but not one with your political agenda.

 

[Brewster's millions]

So it isn’t true, yet the audit, not review was undertaken quickly and acted upon receipt.

Got it.

Thanks for leaving out any correction on the MPs voting through the child welfare bill though. It kills Joe’s point dead.

With all due respect, I wasn’t referring to the accuracy or otherwise of Joe’s post.

I think it’s a good thing that Starmer has launched the full inquiry, but it is still a U-turn and that will still be important as to how people assess the government’s handling of the matter, which people will obviously want to discuss on here.

 

[hilts]

Oh for the days when it was total nonsense, misinformation and racist to call for an enquiry.

I wonder what changed?

I feel a period of well we always wanted an inquiry coming on:-)

 

[blueinsa]

Only another 3000 or so u-turns before they overtake Johnson

By the way, are you saying that you're not in favour of this inquiry?

Fully in favour of it as I was a few months back but I was guilty of misinformation, pandering to the far right and its demands and racism then?

Funny old world eh?

 

[hilts]

Fully in favour of it as I was a few months back but I was guilty of misinformation, pandering to the far right and its demands and racism then?

Funny old world eh?

Personally I'm sick of Starmer picking on the old, the disabled, the immigrants, the asylum seekers, the grooming gangs.


Vote Starmer get Farage:-)

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

With all due respect, I wasn’t referring to the accuracy or otherwise of Joe’s post.

I think it’s a good thing that Starmer has launched the full inquiry, but it is still a U-turn and that will still be important as to how people assess the government’s handling of the matter, which people will obviously want to discuss on here.

One person’s U-turn is another’s acting on further information.

It was forever thus.

It was also important for the government to show that they don’t cave to 2 week social media bandwagons. The bandwagon failed and the noise also disappeared until the inquiry was announced and now it’s popped up for another few days before dying again.

The next one will be Israel/Iran conflict involvement.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Many are against another inquiry but surely everyone agrees that all people involved in any sort of cover up, whether it be social workers, police, politicians, whoever, for whatever reason , that resulted in more children being abused should be brought to justice themselves and if found to be complicate in the grooming and rape of children should receive the appropriate punishment, prison

Well said. People on this thread seem to be forgetting that. This is one of the worst scandals the uk has ever seen, with huge levels of corruption, cover up and the rape and abuse of thousands of little girls. It’s scandalous what has happened over decades.

This shouldn’t be political or used to points score. The scumbags involved in this need locking up and the truth needs to out in full for everyone to see. For some reason we still have people seemingly not bothered about what’s happened/ still happening to vulnerable kids.

 

[M18CTID]

Fully in favour of it as I was a few months back but I was guilty of misinformation, pandering to the far right and its demands and racism then?

Funny old world eh?

So surely that's more important than highlighting a perceived u-turn from the government? By the way, who accused you of all that?

It doesn't help that this matter was politicised by unhinged lunatics such as Elon Musk sticking their oar in and spreading misinformation which in turn many people swallowed. That's not aimed at you by the way but plenty of people fell for it as usually happens when someone with a high profile posts something on social media.

 

[BobKowalski]

Personally, I’m waiting for the third inquiry along with the fourth inquiry into the first two inquiries.

 

[Brewster's millions]

One person’s U-turn is another’s acting on further information.

It was forever thus.

It was also important for the government to show that they don’t cave to 2 week social media bandwagons. The bandwagon failed and the noise also disappeared until the inquiry was announced and now it’s popped up for another few days before dying again.

The next one will be Israel/Iran conflict involvement.

We’ll likely have to agree to disagree on that one, but from my perspective I thought Starmer’s statements around the far right bandwagon were unhelpful, unduly divisive and actually counter productive given that it made his position against a full inquiry more entrenched than it needed to be.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Well said. People on this thread seem to be forgetting that. This is one of the worst scandals the uk has ever seen, with huge levels of corruption, cover up and the rape and abuse of thousands of little girls. It’s scandalous what has happened over decades.

This shouldn’t be political or used to points score. The scumbags involved in this need locking up and the truth needs to out in full for everyone to see. For some reason we still have people seemingly not bothered about what’s happened/ still happening to vulnerable kids.

Its odd, concerning and baffling why some dont want people brought to justice.

If politician A, ordered Policeman B not to prosecute offender C for any reason whatsoever and C went on to rape (sick of hearing the term grooming, they are child rapists) more children then A B and C should all be charged.

 

[M18CTID]

We’ll likely have to agree to disagree on that one, but from my perspective I thought Starmer’s statements around the far right bandwagon were unhelpful, unduly divisive and actually counter productive given that it made his position against a full inquiry more entrenched than it needed to be.

Actually, it was the comments from that **** Musk that were unhelpful and divisive:

Elon Musk's 'disinformation' endangering me, says Jess Phillips

The tech billionaire and Trump adviser has fiercely criticised the safeguarding minister in recent days.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

We’ll likely have to agree to disagree on that one, but from my perspective I thought Starmer’s statements around the far right bandwagon were unhelpful, unduly divisive and actually counter productive given that it made his position against a full inquiry more entrenched than it needed to be.

Maybe so, but they were mostly from that subsection of society.

Equally, those people demanding that they wanted the inquiry into Pakistani gangs rather than all grooming gangs poured as much fuel to the fire.

Starmer is shit at communication. That’s his main weakness and it gets exploited repeatedly.

He’s made some good and some bad choices. I’m happy that he’s reneged on some of his bad choices.

As Bob K suggests though, this inquiry likely won’t unearth much more than they others in all likelihood, but it’s kicked the can down the road whilst it is undertaken.

If things are uncovered, then they should be dealt with asap, but my breath isn’t being held.

 

[BigJoe#1]

So it isn’t true, yet the audit, not review was undertaken quickly and acted upon receipt.

Got it.

Thanks for leaving out any correction on the MPs voting through the child welfare bill though. It kills Joe’s point dead.

Politics is corrupt. Starmer said NO to an enquiry. He said it was not necessary. He said the findings from a previous report hadn't been implemented.... Then he has done a complete U turn. Why?

Did he not fully understand what he was saying no to one first place?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Politics is corrupt. Starmer said NO to an enquiry. He said it was not necessary. He said the findings from a previous report hadn't been implemented.... Then he has done a complete U turn. Why?

Did he not fully understand what he was saying no to one first place?

It’s already been explained on here. Whether you accept the reasoning is up to you.

 

[BobKowalski]

Its odd, concerning and baffling why some dont want people brought to justice.

If politician A, ordered Policeman B not to prosecute offender C for any reason whatsoever and C went on to rape (sick of hearing the term grooming, they are child rapists) more children then A B and C should all be charged.

When you consider the rape statistics perhaps it isn’t that baffling. Most women and men do not report rape and of the ones that are reported very few result in a success prosecution.

Arguably, there is a culture of shame and silence that allows these offences to exist undetected, not reported or officially ignored. There is a reluctance to believe the victims as seemingly happened in this case. But that is pretty much true of all cases.

Rape, sexual assault and child sexual abuse statistics

Want to know how many people are raped, sexually abused or sexually assaulted? We have key statistics from trusted sources showing the scale of the problem.

rapecrisis.org.uk

There is also a link to the source of the figures.

Perhaps we should widen any inquiry into rape culture as a whole and society’s attitudes.