Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

BigJoe#1 said:
Tuck off yourself.... why bollox? Because I am not taking sides... or more specifically your side?
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Because your argument has been debunked numerous times, including using quotes from those in control of Israel who have stated their aim is to level and take complete control of Palestine, that their conditions for ending the bloodbath only, but not solely, include the return of the hostages, and that Israel declined to move into the next stage of hostage handover so they could continue their campaign of destruction.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
What I do know is that if Hamas don't release the hostages the killings will continue. What do Hamas want for to stop Israel attacking them? You really do ALWAYS post some senseless shit without any idea of what you and your Hamas terrorist mates want.

There is no justification for anyone killing kids, or killing anyone come to that just as there is no justification for a terrorist state invading a neighbour and taking and keeping hostages... presumably something that you support?
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"The killings"? Israel isn't killing anyone according to their representatives and their lackeys on here.
 
tel aviv city said:
That’s the main reason journalists are currently not allowed in — a large portion of those killed were actually Hamas operatives, not genuine media personnel.
Also, there’s hardly any area in Gaza without a mix of civilians and armed terrorists, often alongside media presence.
Every report becomes highly charged and politicized.
There is absolutely no evidence that the IDF has intentionally targeted journalists.
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So, based on your logic, does it mean that the 51 Palestinian children in West Bank killed by the IDF between 1 January 2023 until 6 October 2023 were Hamas operatives?

And the more than 1,800 Palestinian children killed between 2003 until 6 October 2023 by IDF are Hamas operatives?

And the more than 500 Palestinian children imprisoned in Israel are Hamas operatives?

And the tens and thousands of Palestinians killed before Hamas was created (approved by Netanyahu then as how he approves the ISiS wing now) were a Hamas operatives?
 
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mancity2012_eamo said:
For those asking, well what is the solution.
Those that genuinely would like to know and those that are wumming and those that are just vilely strutting as badly as Trump is, there is a logical and simple solution…..
But it’s never going to happen.
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Sachs is very good. Ta for posting
 
Based on review of claims by Israel:

1992 • 1992 → three to five years from a nuke (to knesset)

1993 → six years

1995 → five to seven years from nuclear capabilities

1996 → getting extremely close to a nuke

2002 → "expert testimony" that saddam totally had nukes and the united states definitely needed to invade iraq because they were operating “centrifuges the size of washing machines"

2009 → one to two years from a nuke

2009 → iran can definitely make one nuke

2009 → address to aipac on iran

2010 → vague claims that iran has control of atomic bombs

2011 → israeli intelligence chief says at minimum four years

2012 → a few months from a nuclear bomb

2012 → lots of fear-mongering, claims iran has "thousands of centrifuges"

2012 → less than a year from a nuke, with irrefutable proof • video on c-span

2012 • 2012 → leaked cables between mossad and south africa, israeli intelligence assessed that iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons” (published 2015, two sources — pdf of leaked doc here)

2013 → asked obama to order a strike on iran

2013 → time was running out, "a clear and credible military threat" [from the united states] was necessary

2015 → claims iran "could be hiding nuclear facilities", opposes the deal

2016 → attempts to incite the un against iran

2018 → produces documents from before 2003 (predating any agreement), claims of "five hiroshima" bombs

2019 → asked trump to go to war with iran

2021 → iran's alleged nuclear capabilities at a "critical point"

2022 → threatens to attack iran's facilities if they come to a deal with the us

2023 → us and israel need to "close ranks" on iran
 
BigJoe#1 said:
What I do know is that if Hamas don't release the hostages the killings will continue. What do Hamas want for to stop Israel attacking them? You really do ALWAYS post some senseless shit without any idea of what you and your Hamas terrorist mates want.

There is no justification for anyone killing kids, or killing anyone come to that just as there is no justification for a terrorist state invading a neighbour and taking and keeping hostages... presumably something that you support?
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They won't listen to common sense suggestions. Instead, your post will be countered with vague innuendos and suppositions.
I'm really intrigued when I read some senseless posts on here.
With these kind of mindset, it kind of shows why these type of people will continue to lose any war they fight against Israel.
 
Anyone watch the film Zone of Interest.
It's about German families living just outside an extermination camp. Going on walks. BBQs that sort of thing, all the while smoke billowing from chimneys in the background.

Now Gaza isn't Aushwitz but it is a concentration camp. You can't leave. You are dependent on Israel allowing electricity and water in. Food too. Helicopters hovering above.
And yet 5 minutes away people are sipping wine as if nothing is going on.
 
robbieh said:
Anyone watch the film Zone of Interest.
It's about German families living just outside an extermination camp. Going on walks. BBQs that sort of thing, all the while smoke billowing from chimneys in the background.

Now Gaza isn't Aushwitz but it is a concentration camp. You can't leave. You are dependent on Israel allowing electricity and water in. Food too. Helicopters hovering above.
And yet 5 minutes away people are sipping wine as if nothing is going on.
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I saw a recent video interview with three young women on a beach in Israel. Smoke poured from a zone in the close distance and they expressed their great pleasure at it. It was truly grotesque and barely believable.
 
Vic said:
"The killings"? Israel isn't killing anyone according to their representatives and their lackeys on here.
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Israel are obviously guilty of killing people as are Hamas .... I don't see why people cannot see this.

Israel will with some justification use the October 7th invasion and the holding of hostages as a defence for what they're doing - what was the trigger/justification Hamas will use for what they did which was a very violent, direct well planned attack on innocent civilians? Why, if they have a longstanding issue against Israel did they not just attack military installations and the hierarchical office of the Israeli government? Why innocent civilians who were just enjoying themselves going about everyday business.
 
robbieh said:
Anyone watch the film Zone of Interest.
It's about German families living just outside an extermination camp. Going on walks. BBQs that sort of thing, all the while smoke billowing from chimneys in the background.

Now Gaza isn't Aushwitz but it is a concentration camp. You can't leave. You are dependent on Israel allowing electricity and water in. Food too. Helicopters hovering above.
And yet 5 minutes away people are sipping wine as if nothing is going on.
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Was that not what the citizens of Israel were doing on October 7th? Surely you can understand why the Israeli's are doing what they're doing and why?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Was that not what the citizens of Israel were doing on October 7th? Surely you can understand why the Israeli's are doing what they're doing and why?
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What about the 80 years before October 7th? Israel have been killing Palestinian kids consistently, not just for the last 2 years. If you were brought up in what is essentially an Israeli prison camp, I’m pretty sure you’d feel differently if you aren’t a psychopath. No free movement, a controlled economy, no airport, constant surveillance. This is collective punishment that you’re describing and it’s sick to justify it.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Was that not what the citizens of Israel were doing on October 7th? Surely you can understand why the Israeli's are doing what they're doing and why?
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The place we've got to now seems to be Israel starving millions and literally committing daily massacres of civilians seeking food, in response to the Hamas pogrom.
 
borassic said:
What about the 80 years before October 7th? Israel have been killing Palestinian kids consistently, not just for the last 2 years. If you were brought up in what is essentially an Israeli prison camp, I’m pretty sure you’d feel differently if you aren’t a psychopath. No free movement, a controlled economy, no airport, constant surveillance. This is collective punishment that you’re describing and it’s sick to justify it.
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If you oppress people for eighty years. If you kill women and children and seize their homes, destroy their land, and salt their earth, they will fight back. When they do, they are not suddenly a terrorist, they are people who have had enough, and, in the same circumstances, all of us would fight back. This is not a war, it is an 80 year display of supremacy and control.
 
borassic said:
What about the 80 years before October 7th? Israel have been killing Palestinian kids consistently, not just for the last 2 years. If you were brought up in what is essentially an Israeli prison camp, I’m pretty sure you’d feel differently if you aren’t a psychopath. No free movement, a controlled economy, no airport, constant surveillance. This is collective punishment that you’re describing and it’s sick to justify it.
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He's been told this about 20 times now, for some reason he seems to think Oct 7th was the start of the conflict. absolute bellend.
 
borassic said:
What about the 80 years before October 7th? Israel have been killing Palestinian kids consistently, not just for the last 2 years. If you were brought up in what is essentially an Israeli prison camp, I’m pretty sure you’d feel differently if you aren’t a psychopath. No free movement, a controlled economy, no airport, constant surveillance. This is collective punishment that you’re describing and it’s sick to justify it.
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So that justified what happened on October 7th? Fair enough. Clearly whoever believes that does not want this to end.
 
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