Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

bluethrunthru said:
have we learned anything from history?

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Netanyahu has been spouting about Iran creating nukes since the late 90s at least, they've been 1 month away from it for over 2 decades. He says they have tried to assassinate Trump (no proof of course) and are arming Hamas (prob true). They had bombs within Iran in pagers that blew up within heavily populated areas, they had drones within Iran - these are acts of terror by definition. Israel has a history of invading nations, the public backing of the West just emboldens them further. Complete regime changes are required, but i fear we are past that stage.
 
Pelegrinni said:
Peace in Europe for the past 70+ years have blinded many people about the horrors of war.
Many now assume that it is possible to fight a war without collateral damage.
Every civilian casualty is regrettable. But the way some people go about it makes it looks like Israel is deliberately targeting civilians. Meanwhile, it's possible that these civilians were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The critics of Israel wants them to fight an impossible war.
In Lebanon, they criticized Israel for using the pagers which targeted 99% Hezbollah fighters.
They criticize Israel for returning fire when they are shot at from a hospital. Every trained soldier will return fire if fired upon from a "protected" zone in a military conflict.
They accuse Israel of shooting at people who were going to collect aids. Only for a drone footage to appear later showing Hamas fighters shooting their own people.

For many people, these conflicts are no longer about facts or objectivity. It's now about entrenched ideology.
All I can say is that Europe will pay the price for this in the coming years.
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Hi hear what you are saying but the numbers of casualties don't really back that up imho.

After the atrocities of the October attacks by Hamas it was widely reported that Hamas had 3000 fighters or terrorists.

I can't see how you can accidentally kill 50,000 civillians when you are really trying kill 3000 combatants. And still it goes on!

There is a reason why Israel keeps independent reporters out of Gaza. And it is Israel keeping them out and not Hamas.

Also look at the repeated reports from independent agencies such as the UN, the International Red Cross and Amnesty International. Atrocities are undoubtedly being committed by the IDF.
 
shevtheblue said:
Netanyahu has been spouting about Iran creating nukes since the late 90s at least, they've been 1 month away from it for over 2 decades. He says they have tried to assassinate Trump (no proof of course) and are arming Hamas (prob true). They had bombs within Iran in pagers that blew up within heavily populated areas, they had drones within Iran - these are acts of terror by definition. Israel has a history of invading nations, the public backing of the West just emboldens them further. Complete regime changes are required, but i fear we are past that stage.
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Buso is gonna be big mad when he hears what happened to all 36 hospitals in Gaza

 
The blue phantom said:
It's really not a.good time to brag about the Israeli population

82% are in support of clearing all.the Palestinians out of Gaza.
Near 50% of wiping them out.

Seems that huge amount are aligned with Smotrich and his genocidal maniacs.
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Unlike the Palestinians that hate all Jews and wants them all "wiped off the face of the earth" - neither side looks too good to be honest.

Have we a rebirth of the German Nazi's coming along, after all that was their mantra was it not?
 
bonespost said:
The ramp up beings,Twelve F 22 dropping into RAF Lakenheath just about now
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Seems a strange choice of aircraft for attacking facilities which require the use of only the largest bunker busters (these underground nuclear facilities). Only the B2 can carry the GBU 57 (30,000lb bomb) unless they are using F22s as an escort.
 
BobKowalski said:
The Mars Rover would struggle to detect sentient life in this post.
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Or

"At Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the tunneling electron microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building blocks of our universe. If I were using that microscope right now... I still wouldn't be able to locate my interest in your problem."
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Are you really suggesting that Isreal was behind the Kennedy assassination?

Fuck me this thread is an absolute cesspit.
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Of course it had none to do with the assassination. Read between the lines and read the whole book full of the chronological events.

It’s not about the cause of assassination because that is known (the Oswald case). It’s about how Kennedy repeatedly demanded Ben Gurion to be more transparent since 1961 until 1963. Those are the more than 3 years of repeated letters and discussions to be clear if the nuclear program is for weapons or not (likely for weapons, because Ben Gurion himself stated that Israel is not the first nuclear weapon country in the Middle East), and for Kennedy to demand US visits to Dimani that were delayed and delayed and delayed to the point that IAEA is authorised to investigate.
Then the assassination happened.

That was not to suggest about the assassination. It had nothing to do with who assassinated and why because Oswald is a Marxist. The reference to Kennedy is about the repeated delays for visits and the lack of transparency and the lies that Dimani was not weaponized nuclear, enough delay to wait for another president by vote by 1964, which was the trajectory that nuclear weaponization is complete without IAEA scrutiny.

So why mention it to the thread?
Because Israel attacked Iran since Israel believes that Iran is building weaponised nuclear, even when unlike Israel, Iran has accepted US visits including the US Defence Intelligence to Iran, Iran has accepted IAEA to scrutinise their nuclear program, Iran has accepted the reports from IAEA including the most recent one this month, Iran has been transparent with the US on the amount of enrichment involved, and sent to France the enrichment stockpile with visually visible amounts, and now German, us and France scheduling a meeting within the next day or two in Geneva with Iran to discuss about Iran confirmation of no weaponised nuclear.

None of those were conducted in the same perspective by Israel.
 
Pelegrinni said:
Just look at the Iranian population versus the Israeli population and their response to the ongoing conflict.
Both have faced the horrors of war and the sound of heavy bombardments in the past week. One group of people have been battled hardened and used to war protocol. The other group are all fleeing to wherever they could because they've never been exposed to such conflict for decades.

This is what will happen in the West soon if any real conflict breaks out. These people would wave the white flag by merely hearing the sound of bombs going off in the distance.
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I am not sure I understand what you are getting at with this, I cannot even guess who is who is here (red). Are you implying that Israel is doing favour to Europe and we should be supportive of their clear aggression as a preventive measure. And that Iran is somehow existential threat to Europe? Is it what you are saying?
 
Kompany Car said:
Seems a strange choice of aircraft for attacking facilities which require the use of only the largest bunker busters (these underground nuclear facilities). Only the B2 can carry the GBU 57 (30,000lb bomb) unless they are using F22s as an escort.
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All the Yanks need to sort that underground nuclear facility is Tom Cruise in an old F18 Hornet and he will land back on the USS Nimitz in an Iranian F14 if the military intelligence from Top Gun 2 is correct.
 
Gobshiight said:
After the child was killed by Israel, there was a video going round of her dancing in a red dress at her dentist

They're probably just trying to humanise some of those that were murdered
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Come on we know how this works by now

Couple of zio's die - media emphasizes how they were about to get married. Public nod along and agree that this justifies the murder and ethnic cleansing of 2 million human beings in Palestine

Try to humanise a 8 year old child murdered by israel? Well that's propaganda overdrive of course!
 
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