WW2 - Falklands

idahoblues said:
I was hoping to get a few more hits, maybe the wrong time of day. I have a very good background on WW2. I will never turn my back on my upbringing, just like to push some buttons. Always in jest
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Buttons too easily pushed on that one.

Oh, also on DT, City, cats and NY Mets ..
:-)
 
Who gives a fuck about the falklands 99% of us won’t set foot on
It will cost around £280 million pounds over the next 10 years in defence population of less than 4,000 island that we thought we’d just have many years ago feel for the soldiers families who’s love ones died there obviously but was it worth it
 
Indaparkside said:
Who gives a fuck about the falklands 99% of us won’t set foot on
It will cost around £280 million pounds over the next 10 years in defence population of less than 4,000 island that we thought we’d just have many years ago feel for the soldiers families who’s love ones died there obviously but was it worth it
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There's oil in those waters.
 
idahoblues said:
The yanks did it all for you
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Balls! We pulled you out of the shit many times over. Yah you couldn't even do night bombing over Germany - we could and we used to take back positions when you couldn't hold them!
 
Indaparkside said:
Who gives a fuck about the falklands 99% of us won’t set foot on
It will cost around £280 million pounds over the next 10 years in defence population of less than 4,000 island that we thought we’d just have many years ago feel for the soldiers families who’s love ones died there obviously but was it worth it
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I'd say 99.99999% actually.

I always found it a strange one, even when the conflict happened as a teenager. The equivalent of Argentina owning The Shetland Islands and the folk on Lerwick speaking Spanish.

Someone please educate me otherwise?
 
Bill Walker said:
I remember thinking what Thatcher did was fucking madness and I would urge young people not to go there and get burned, lose limbs or die a horrific painful death over some poxy islands.
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Poxy oil enriched islands or not...the truth is sovereignty and people's rights meant it was harder to stay out of it. It also sent a message. This tiny island was still able to go to war thousands of miles away for some penguins. Politically, it was a gamble, as Thatcher wouldn't have got another term if she had done nothing.

The result?

It showed we still had teeth, the armed forces proved their worth once again and Thatcher got to stay in power for a few more years.

There's always a ying and yang.
 
The Norfolk Blue said:
I'd say 99.99999% actually.

I always found it a strange one, even when the conflict happened as a teenager. The equivalent of Argentina owning The Shetland Islands and the folk on Lerwick speaking Spanish.

Someone please educate me otherwise?
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No dafter than Argentina speaking Spanish, it’s all a legacy of imperialism. It’s also why we don’t speak Celtic or Common Brythonic.

Land is lost not when a nation is strong it’s when the victim is weak. However 20th century international rules that were brought in to protect nations after WWII also set in stone the borders at that time allowing nations to claim “invasion” and gain support legally.

So the Argies lose out.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
No dafter than Argentina speaking Spanish, it’s all a legacy of imperialism. It’s also why we don’t speak Celtic or Common Brythonic.

Land is lost not when a nation is strong it’s when the victim is weak. However 20th century international rules that were brought in to protect nations after WWII also set in stone the borders at that time allowing nations to claim “invasion” and gain support legally.

So the Argies lose out.
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I say Spanish, that's very lazy of me ... I should probably say Portuguese or maybe Italian, although I've no idea what the native Incas (probably) spoke?
 
crublue1 said:
I sometimes wonder if the argies tried to take the Falklands in present day, would we be able to defend it? Or even have the will to do so?
What would public opinion be like if it happened?
I remember it clearly, it dominated the news, and there were a lot of casualties (RIP to them all)
Peace is a wonderful thing.
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With what we have there they’d have to think twice plus a sub or two would take out any ships within hours, a lot of Argies would die in the process and there a damn sight more troops down there than when they first did it.
 
Blue Maverick said:
With what we have there they’d have to think twice plus a sub or two would take out any ships within hours, a lot of Argies would die in the process and there a damn sight more troops down there than when they first did it.
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But we only have a few rusty barges and a camo painted Kayak left, and we haven't the men fully trained up to use them ;-)
 
The retention of the Falklands is now a matter of 'national honour'. Not least because of the blood of those who died there in the Thatcher War.

'National honour' is not a rational concept, but emotionally it's a very powerful one. Back in the day, people took the same line on Calais and English Gascony. The fact that it does not make economic sense is neither here nor there.
 
WT86 said:
I think WW2 was a "clean," obviously justified war with an easy narrative from the Western perspective.
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Err, overall and in terms of its general aim, yes. As I'm sure you know, lots of dirty tricks within it, including by the Allies, and especially towards the end.
No war, really, is clean. Simply, some do have to be fought — including with dirty means. Then we're into a debate as to how dirty is “dirty”.
 
Indaparkside said:
Who gives a fuck about the falklands 99% of us won’t set foot on
It will cost around £280 million pounds over the next 10 years in defence population of less than 4,000 island that we thought we’d just have many years ago feel for the soldiers families who’s love ones died there obviously but was it worth it
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It’s a principle thing as well, I’m sure most countries would do then same if a territory of theirs was invaded. Supposedly there is a shit load of oil round it as well it’s just hard to retrieve with current technology. I’m part of the 1% that has set foot on it and I can tell you now it’s like Saddleworth Moors with penguins, not somewhere I’d want to live full time. I bet the families of the ones who died in some shit desert feel worse fighting on war based on lies.
 
Bill Walker said:
I remember thinking what Thatcher did was fucking madness and I would urge young people not to go there and get burned, lose limbs or die a horrific painful death over some poxy islands.
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Neville Chamberlain 1938 don’t get involved over poxy Czechoslovakia
 
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