Tino Livramento

madloaf said:
I don't see how fitting Morgan Gibbs white into any of those variations is better than any one of Bernardo, Foden, Cherki, Marmoush, reindeers, nico or to be honest giving O'Reilly a run. And that's before we talk about our two wingers. I get what you're saying, I just wonder if that's a position we really need filling.
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I don't think we're desperate for him, a RB is the only position we definitely need, but his style of play coupled with him being rightfooted (early crosses instead of checking back onto the leftfoot), would make him a good addition, esp. if Cherki comes central from the right, imo.
Reijnders might be able to do it (dunno what his crossing is like) but, given his passing and goalthreat, it would probably be a waste to move him away from the centre too much.
 
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Silva_Spell said:
Nunes should stay, imo.
He is a decent all-out-attack (backup) RB

I would still quite like MGW. He wouldn't be guaranteed a first XI place, but a Livramento-MGW-Cherki right side could work really well. Cherki moving central, MGW capable of overlapping and underlapping and putting in a good outswinging ball (KDB-lite), with Livramento offering support to a much higher quality than Akanji typically does in that area (I never want to see Akanji in and around the corner of the opposition's box again - every attack dies)
Without MGW we don't really have a midfielder to make the above work. To get Cherki inside, it is all going to fall on the RB. That is a lot of running.
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The two caveats in my guess list are Nunes & Kovacic. I think they'll be the last ones considered for the chop, once we know who's definitely surplus to requirements & who will definitely remain. It all comes down to squad numbers & our foreign & HG quotas.

However, Pep can't have it both ways. He wants to win the 4 main competitions we're in season after season, but do it with a tiny elite squad whilst complaining there's too much football being asked of our players.

It's simple. Tell the players they'll receive ample game & rest time throughout the season. Personally, if my game time fell from 50 to 40 games per season just like everyone else in the squad, as we fight on multiple fronts, not including internationals, you wouldn't catch me complaining.

This whole shtick about squad harmony related to game time is bollocks. If everyone plays 40+ games per season, & gets the same amount of rest, what's there to be upset about in the changing room?

I never want to see situations again like Rodri being out on his feet after 60 mins at the Etihad, as we're beating a relegation threatened team 4-0. How many times has Pep left it until 75+ minutes to start making changes whilst those playing are being rinsed to death in their 3rd march of the week? There's absolutely no need, & last season we paid the price as our players collapsed, physically, mentally & emotionally.
 
alexmcity said:
70-80m to sit out the big games, unless we have injuries. Ridiculous.

And for the lesser games, in which we can use 4 attacking players and 2 CM, we have many players competing for a place: why put Cherki or Doku or Marmoush or Foden or Savinho on the bench to watch MWG? Pointless.

MGW + 30m could buy us a top talent.
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It's estimated between 8-10 of our senior squad could be dispensed with. Taking the foreign players squad cap & the HG quotas needed, players like MGW would get ample game time, as will everyone else, but more importantly, ample rest too.

I sense the club are done with Pep's small elite squad nonsense & rinsing them to exhaustion season after season, until they break & collapse.

Our actions & the words of Khaldoon allude to this being the case, hence up to 10 of the squad being earmarked for the chop, & ⅔ of Guardiola's backroom staff being dispensed with.

If we not intending to change anything, we may as well have given all the coaching staff new contracts to match Pep's extension. We haven't, for a pretty obvious reason from what I can see.
 
Dribble said:
It's estimated between 8-10 of our senior squad could be dispensed with. Taking the foreign players squad cap & the HG quotas needed, players like MGW would get ample game time, as will everyone else, but more importantly, ample rest too.

I sense the club are done with Pep's small elite squad nonsense & rinsing them to exhaustion season after season, until they break & collapse.

Our actions & the words of Khaldoon allude to this being the case, hence up to 10 of the squad being earmarked for the chop, & ⅔ of Guardiola's backroom staff being dispensed with.

If we not intending to change anything, we may as well have given all the coaching staff new contracts to match Pep's extension. We haven't, for a pretty obvious reason from what I can see.
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I wonder if thats why Viana came in in January? As much as the signings due to injury, it was about assessing the squad with his own eyes and has decided with Khaldoons blessing to overhaul things including coaching staff as much as players.
 
richards30 said:
I wonder if thats why Viana came in in January? As much as the signings due to injury, it was about assessing the squad with his own eyes and has decided with Khaldoons blessing to overhaul things including coaching staff as much as players.
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It seems the only person against a squad overhaul last summer was Guardiola. It backfired spectacularly!

This is why by our transfer actions & the words of Khaldoon, that I believe the club has taken matters into its own hands & given their blessing for Viana to properly deal with the matter.

Pep's dropped the odd hint of "The club decided", "The club chose to...", which suggests to me those above Pep are seriously pissed at last season's unnecessary difficulties.
 
alexmcity said:
That's an interesting way to describe what it takes to win 4 in a row and the Treble as part of the process.
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We could still have won a treble & 4 in a row, whilst putting a succession plan into action. Football didn't end after we achieved both, as evidenced by last season's collapse & us being exposed for having an ageing, injury ridden squad, & little by way of alternatives in place.

It's called forward planning for a very good reason, something we spectacularly failed to do. However, by our subsequent transfer actions & the words of Khaldoon, we are now addressing that shit show of a season with a vengeance.

This whole mess is on Guardiola. Hence why it doesn't surprise me that the club essentially fired a shot across his bows by dispensing with his coaching staff. Pep, be warned!
 
alexmcity said:
You seem to conflate your interpretation with reality.

Nobody at the club is silly enough to think like that.
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Dya wanna bet? The club's actions in respect to buying new players (even though Guardiola threatened to leave if he was given a bigger squad) & City effectively sacking Guardiola's backroom team seem to suggest different.

Unless you definitively know different?
 
Dribble said:
Dya wanna bet? The club's actions in respect to buying new players (even though Guardiola threatened to leave if he was given a bigger squad) & City effectively sacking Guardiola's backroom team seem to suggest different.

Unless you definitively know different?
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The idea that the club bosses sack Pep's backroom team against his will and then leave him with a bigger squad than he wants to work with doesn't need refutation. If you can't see why it doesn't make sense I can't help you.
 
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Dribble said:
We could still have won a treble & 4 in a row, whilst putting a succession plan into action. Football didn't end after we achieved both, as evidenced by last season's collapse & us being exposed for having an ageing, injury ridden squad, & little by way of alternatives in place.

It's called forward planning for a very good reason, something we spectacularly failed to do. However, by our subsequent transfer actions & the words of Khaldoon, we are now addressing that shit show of a season with a vengeance.

This whole mess is on Guardiola. Hence why it doesn't surprise me that the club essentially fired a shot across his bows by dispensing with his coaching staff. Pep, be warned!
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You are very much entitled to that view but the most likely scenario is that our manager was planning on leaving this summer so neither he nor the club were looking for an overhaul. It’s also entirely possible that lots of players wouldn’t be as keen to join under the circumstances. It was to be a last dance for everyone.

Pep decided to stay mid season and the overhaul of both players and coaches has begun. There’s no way the club and Pep weren’t in agreement last summer, unfortunately this season proved a bridge too far due to injuries.
 
Dribble said:
The two caveats in my guess list are Nunes & Kovacic. I think they'll be the last ones considered for the chop, once we know who's definitely surplus to requirements & who will definitely remain. It all comes down to squad numbers & our foreign & HG quotas.

However, Pep can't have it both ways. He wants to win the 4 main competitions we're in season after season, but do it with a tiny elite squad whilst complaining there's too much football being asked of our players.

It's simple. Tell the players they'll receive ample game & rest time throughout the season. Personally, if my game time fell from 50 to 40 games per season just like everyone else in the squad, as we fight on multiple fronts, not including internationals, you wouldn't catch me complaining.

This whole shtick about squad harmony related to game time is bollocks. If everyone plays 40+ games per season, & gets the same amount of rest, what's there to be upset about in the changing room?

I never want to see situations again like Rodri being out on his feet after 60 mins at the Etihad, as we're beating a relegation threatened team 4-0. How many times has Pep left it until 75+ minutes to start making changes whilst those playing are being rinsed to death in their 3rd march of the week? There's absolutely no need, & last season we paid the price as our players collapsed, physically, mentally & emotionally.
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I think Kovacic will leave late in the window.
If you look at the players who were available in the squad for a sizeable chunk of last season (ie. no Rodri, no Bobb), you could look at this season's changes in the following way:
  1. LIVRAMENTO replaces Walker
  2. Reis* (who was in the squad but didn't play at all really) replaces Stones
  3. AIT-NOURI replaces Grealish
  4. Rodri replaces Kovacic
  5. REIJNDERS replaces Gundogan
  6. CHERKI replaces De Bruyne
  7. Bobb replaces McAtee

Reis would still be left out of the CL squad (unless he outperforms another player), assuming no other nonHG ACL type injuries, but all changes could be considered an upgrade either in quality, suitability or, in Stones' case, availability.

Of course, this is dependant upon getting Livramento. If we can't, I don't see any HG RB worth bringing in, so, more rejigging would be needed (Akanji sale? Ortega sale? The latter causes another HG headache - I doubt any suitable HG GK, eg. Trafford or Ramsdale, would come to be no.2, esp. in a WC year)

*Assuming we get Livramento, my personal preference would be to loan out Reis. The above mention of Reis would be switched for Khusanov, but apparently Pep wants Reis to stay.
 
alexmcity said:
The idea that the club bosses sack Pep's backroom team against his will and then leave him with a bigger squad than he wants to work with doesn't need refutation. If you can't see why it doesn't make sense I can't help you.
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If you can't accept the evidence in front of you, see the action Manchester City have taken, backed by the words of Khaldoon, then likewise, I can't help you either mate. It is what it is...
 
pavelsrnicek said:
You are very much entitled to that view but the most likely scenario is that our manager was planning on leaving this summer so neither he nor the club were looking for an overhaul. It’s also entirely possible that lots of players wouldn’t be as keen to join under the circumstances. It was to be a last dance for everyone.

Pep decided to stay mid season and the overhaul of both players and coaches has begun. There’s no way the club and Pep weren’t in agreement last summer, unfortunately this season proved a bridge too far due to injuries.
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Pep said it was his choice & his choice alone not to overhaul the squad last summer. Khaldoon admitted it was a grave error of judgement, which would be immediately resolved. It was also mentioned that Guardiola needed fresh ideas around him, & people to challenge him, hence most of his backroom team being deemed surplus to requirements.

Where I do agree is that I suspect Guardiola's reason for not beginning the overhaul of the squad, was based on him not intending to extend his contract past this summer, so he didn't want to pick players for a new incoming manager. It's the only thing that makes sense of us not starting the squad rebuild where it was clearly obvious to most it was needed from as far back as the treble winning season.

Regardless, last season was an unmitigated disaster in terms of City's expectations, & since January we've began the process of hopefully ensuring we never suffer from such a drop off from our expected standards again.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
Pep decided to stay mid season and the overhaul of both players and coaches has begun. There’s no way the club and Pep weren’t in agreement last summer, unfortunately this season proved a bridge too far due to injuries.
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Before he decided to stay he looked a troubled soul especially after the game where he had scratches on his head and I cut on his nose. After his marriage break up was made public I honestly thought he may have quit during last season as his body language and mind in pre and post match press interviews was all over the place.

I wouldn't have blamed him if he had left but he looks like he's much happier since he and his wife have decided to try and work things out between them. I think he'll see his contract out here and leave our next manager with a easy-ish transition of trying to succeed him. Pep will most probably take a well deserved break before becoming manager again at international level, whenever he decides to.
 
Dribble said:
The two caveats in my guess list are Nunes & Kovacic. I think they'll be the last ones considered for the chop, once we know who's definitely surplus to requirements & who will definitely remain. It all comes down to squad numbers & our foreign & HG quotas.

However, Pep can't have it both ways. He wants to win the 4 main competitions we're in season after season, but do it with a tiny elite squad whilst complaining there's too much football being asked of our players.

It's simple. Tell the players they'll receive ample game & rest time throughout the season. Personally, if my game time fell from 50 to 40 games per season just like everyone else in the squad, as we fight on multiple fronts, not including internationals, you wouldn't catch me complaining.

This whole shtick about squad harmony related to game time is bollocks. If everyone plays 40+ games per season, & gets the same amount of rest, what's there to be upset about in the changing room?

I never want to see situations again like Rodri being out on his feet after 60 mins at the Etihad, as we're beating a relegation threatened team 4-0. How many times has Pep left it until 75+ minutes to start making changes whilst those playing are being rinsed to death in their 3rd march of the week? There's absolutely no need, & last season we paid the price as our players collapsed, physically, mentally & emotionally.
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Playing in the bigger games
 
uwe rosler 28 said:
All I'm hearing is we need a right back to win the league. I also heard we need a left back to win the league when we was playing Delph then Zinchenko. That didn't end up to bad.
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Delph and Zinny were mint, especially for what we needed, because the game was evolving from wing backs to inverted full backs - and they were the first to do it. With Cancelo.

Now it's going back a bit (see Livramento's price, the Ait-Nouri signing, Kerkez's move) whereby full backs needs to be able to offer genuine width and ability out wide - not just an extra body. It's why Walker isn't for us anymore as he's useless going forward (amongst other things) and why Lewis won't be a starter as he's inverted.

Gvardiol was used for width a lot last season too and Nunes was as well. But having just 90 minutes of Ait-Nouri shows the difference between somebody filling in at full back (Nunes, I like him!) and somebody whose position it actually is, is night and day.

I think Nunes can do a job out there personally so not disagreeing with you, but I think the club will be looking at more orthodox right backs in the coming windows to offer full balance.
 
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