Tino Livramento

[IronsideKozuch]

Pep said it was his choice & his choice alone not to overhaul the squad last summer. Khaldoon admitted it was a grave error of judgement, which would be immediately resolved. It was also mentioned that Guardiola needed fresh ideas around him, & people to challenge him, hence most of his backroom team being deemed surplus to requirements.

Where I do agree is that I suspect Guardiola's reason for not beginning the overhaul of the squad, was based on him not intending to extend his contract past this summer, so he didn't want to pick players for a new incoming manager. It's the only thing that makes sense of us not starting the squad rebuild where it was clearly obvious to most it was needed from as far back as the treble winning season.

Regardless, last season was an unmitigated disaster in terms of City's expectations, & since January we've began the process of hopefully ensuring we never suffer from such a drop off from our expected standards again.

It just does not work like that. Show me the quote of Pep saying "it was my choice & my choice alone not to overhaul".

Pep and club's hierarchy are friends, not only cooperants. They would not fire his backroom staff without Pep's consent.

 

[Great Kompany]

I still feel this deal is 50% depend on Newcastle’s window.
Just saw the news of Forest categorically saying no to Elanga deal for 45 million pounds.
Even Burnley asking 35 million atleast for Trafford.

They being rinsed left right and center and then needing one big sale to counter PSR can help our cause.
Right now they have been rejected by Brentford Burnley and Forest and the desperation may quietly creep in.

 

[Dribble]

That was a quality problem not a squad quantity problem. The player who should have allowed Guardiola to rest Rodri was Phillips, who he didn't trust.
The squad quantity was fine the quality wasn't in that instance.
10 more Phillips equivalents would have achieved nothing.

You keep believing that mate. The players told a different story, & the fans watching closely also noticed how knackered the players were. It was constantly being discussed on this forum.

Our players are human beings, not machines. They need adequate rest & recuperation which can't be achieved by playing at the highest level of world football, three times a week, for 9 months a year, not including Internationals & tournaments.

 

[Dribble]

It just does not work like that. Show me the quote of Pep saying "it was my choice & my choice alone not to overhaul".

Pep and club's hierarchy are friends, not only cooperants. They would not fire his backroom staff without Pep's consent.

It was widely reported at the time...

Pep regrets blocking Man City summer revamp

Pep Guardiola has revealed he turned down the chance to revamp his Manchester City squad in the summer and has admitted it was the wrong decision after watching injuries play a significant role in their disappointing start to the season.

www.espn.co.uk

 

[trueblue1972]

There might be, but only if you go overseas. And then we'll have to overpay for another homegrown player somewhere else. It's a constant issue basically, unless we can actually start bringing some players through the academy that turn into regular starters. If we don't overpay for Livramento, we'll have to overpay for Gibbs-White, or overpay for Wharton. The only one that might have been a relative bargain is Guehi, but we've already overstocked that position.

Correct. However, we do sell enough from the academy, allowing us to invest

 

[Dribble]

Feels like he could be a world record fee for a defender or around there, £70m-£90m at a guess. I think given it's a glaring hole in our team, it'd probably be worth it for us.

We paid £80m for Gvardiol. If he's here for the next 10 years, the money paid will be an insignificance, just as it proved with Walker, Stones & KDB.

Yes, we need to get value for money, but we should also take a long-term view with our squad transition.

 

[Cityfan]

Plus, the next season is basically just joined onto the last one, to create one big mega season. Then next Summer is a World Cup most of our players will be at. Injuries are becoming more regular. We need numbers.

The fact that next summer is a WC summer doesn't make any player more tired next season.
But it does give more headaches and sad faces if people aren't picked which is exacerbated by a large squad.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

I still feel this deal is 50% depend on Newcastle’s window.
Just saw the news of Forest categorically saying no to Elanga deal for 45 million pounds.
Even Burnley asking 35 million atleast for Trafford.

They being rinsed left right and center and then needing one big sale to counter PSR can help our cause.
Right now they have been rejected by Brentford Burnley and Forest and the desperation may quietly creep in.

Genuine question.
Based on their age and being HG / club trained what value would you put on them?
We sold Trafford for £15m plus a possible £4m in add ons, a record fee for Burnley.
I'm assuming we probably have some sort of a sell on clause as well. I don't think £35m is over the top for a keeper who has more experience and broke all sorts of records in the championship last season.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Well it hasnt been denied so there is hope. Agree though, we NEED that top RB to even think about fighting the dippers for the title.

Utter rubbish

 

[richards30]

Utter rubbish

So does Nunes start at RB for any other top team in the world?

 

[Dax777]

Feels like he could be a world record fee for a defender or around there, £70m-£90m at a guess. I think given it's a glaring hole in our team, it'd probably be worth it for us.

It's not. In a year or 2. There'd be a RB just as good for less than 30 million.

Buy smart always. That's how you win the long game. This is Cucurella at 68 million to Chelsea all over again. Regardless of how much folks really really really want this. And how much they think its such a right fit. 70-90 million is simply poor decision making.

Hold your fucking nerve. Let the air clear. 70-90 mil is not what you pay for a prospect. Its what you pay for an head and shoulders above the rest current best RB available.

In short, its what youd consider to pry the dude at PSG away from them. Not some good young prospect.

Full back is not a title decider. He is a 30 million player with a 50% homegrown tax. That's 45 million player max. Between 45 - 55 million is super expensive. Anything over 55 is robbery.


There were many moaning to high heavens when we balked at paying 68 million for Cucurrella. Is there anyone who now thinks that was the wrong decision?


Viana, hold the line!!!!!

 

[Dribble]

It's not. In a year or 2. There'd be a RB just as good for less than 30 million.

Buy smart always. That's how you win the long game. This is Cucurella at 68 million to Chelsea all over again. Regardless of how much folks really really really want this. And how much they think its such a right fit. 70-90 million is simply poor decision making.

Hold your fucking nerve. Let the aur clear. 70-90 mil is not what you pay for a prospect. Its what you pay for an head and shoulders above the rest current best RB available.

In short, its what youd consider to pry the dude at PSG away from them. Not some good young prospect.

Full back is not a title decider. He is a 30 million player with a 50% homegrown tax. Dors 45 million player max. Between 45 - 55 million is super expensive. Anything over ,55 is robbery.


There were many moaning to high heavens when we balked at paying 68 million for Cucurrella. Is there anyone who now thinks that was the wrong decision?


Viana, hold the line!!!!!

Thank fuck we didn't take this "Not worth the money" attitude with KDB, Walker & Stones etc...

 

[Dax777]

Thank fuck we didn't take this "Not worth the money" attitude with KDB, Walker & Stones etc...

Kdb was Worth double even at the time. He was the best creator in the big 5 the 3 years prior. Better than Messi. And yet we did not pay a record fee for a midfielder for him.

Tino is not even the best fullback in this league. Not the same. Walker was the best full scl in the league too. With Livramento, we are projecting. With the guys you listed, they were already known commodities.

Comparing apples to oranges there.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

So does Nunes start at RB for any other top team in the world?

Here’s a scenario then.
We sign Livramento for £70m
He gets injured first match.
Is the title gone?

Also, is Nunes the worst right back in the league? If we have one weak position in our team and it costs us the league, are you saying arsenal and Liverpool have no weaknesses? Get a grip man, we have far and away the strongest team and squad in the league. Full stop.

 

[blueparrot]

So does Nunes start at RB for any other top team in the world?

Did Zinchenko or Delph, that isn’t an argument all teams have players like that.Is Frimpong better than Nunes, I don’t think so. Though I do think Bradley might be. Were you saying do some of those PSG players start for another top team this time last year?
I want us to strengthen right back if we can but saying if we don’t we can’t compete is a silly argument.

 

[Silva_Spell]

A well-rounded homegrown 22yr old £40m RB signing who can play LB (and probably RCB & LCB) and has only missed 9 games in 2 years through injury and who played 83% of minutes for the 5th best side in the PL last season, is going to cost a pretty penny.

Since we signed Walker, I don't recall any other PL RB who is as suited to what we need as Livramento.

Reece James would be the obvious exception but, sadly, his career is long over (arguably the best RB on the planet in terms of overall ability)

 

[richards30]

Did Zinchenko or Delph, that isn’t an argument all teams have players like that.Is Frimpong better than Nunes, I don’t think so. Though I do think Bradley might be. Were you saying do some of those PSG players start for another top team this time last year?
I want us to strengthen right back if we can but saying if we don’t we can’t compete is a silly argument.

Come on mate, Frimpong is clearly better in that position than Nunes? Connor Bradley is as well! That 100 point team would also BATTER our current squad and they still made mistakes?!

 

[richards30]

Here’s a scenario then.
We sign Livramento for £70m
He gets injured first match.
Is the title gone?

Also, is Nunes the worst right back in the league? If we have one weak position in our team and it costs us the league, are you saying arsenal and Liverpool have no weaknesses? Get a grip man, we have far and away the strongest team and squad in the league. Full stop.

Is that not the same for every argument though with every player?

 

[blueparrot]

Come on mate, Frimpong is clearly better in that position than Nunes? Connor Bradley is as well! That 100 point team would also BATTER our current squad and they still made mistakes?!

Not sure he is, I said Bradley was, but I don’t rate Frimpong at all as a right back. If liverpool play him as a right back in a back 4 their centre halves will have their work cut out. Depending who they buy as centre forward I think Arsenal will be the team to beat next year. Finish above arsenal and I think we win the league.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

But you said we won't win the league unless we buy a top right back.