The Labour Government

Dereck Jeffries 3 wd said:
Their book on u turns excuses must be running out!! Wonder how many people who voted for them would score themselves 6/10?
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Couldn’t give a fuck about U turns. It is literally the dumbest thing to get worked up about. If a policy ain’t going to fly, dump it and move on before it gets toxic or like the poll tax under Thatcher causes riots and forces you out of office.
 
BobKowalski said:
Axing carers allowance was beyond stupid. You didn’t even need to see the figures to work out that unsalaried carers removes a greater burden from the state than any allowance you bung them. Keeping them sweet makes fiscal sense.

The response to our Parliamentary system working as it should with the Executive proposing policies/legislation and then seeking the consent of the legislature to enact them is moronic. Parliament is there to act as a scrutiny and check on the Executive and not just be a nodding dog. If the Executive can’t sell it to Parliament then they amend it or withdraw it. That is how it works. Instead we get ‘U-turn! Disaster for Starmer’ ‘Govt in Chaos! See pages 2,3,4 and 6’. They seem to forget Labour MPs are part of the Government and in this case, rightly, exercising their elected duties.

Oh, and then tomorrow we will have half the posts in here banging on about MPs been all the same and only init for themselves and don’t care about those who elected them - riddle me that one! The other half will be playing gotcha with posters who they think blindly follow the Government line.

It’s like a toddler playgroup at times :)
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Can't we have the executive actually making good decisions in the first place? It seems to me we would be better picking some of the rebels for cabinet. The u turns so far have been pretty straightforward come on don't be so heartless scenarios. It doesn't say much about their political instinct.
After a day when we all kind of agreed its seems you have gone a little backwards in that thinking. They are the top table they shouldn't really be putting stress on vulnerable people consistently and need telling what is acceptable by so many of their own MPs.

Maybe 26th June can be called sanity day on here where everyone is just non biased and honest about whatever is in the news:-)
 
hilts said:
Can't we have the executive actually making good decisions in the first place? It seems to me we would be better picking some of the rebels for cabinet. The u turns so far have been pretty straightforward come on don't be so heartless scenarios. It doesn't say much about their political instinct.
After a day when we all kind of agreed its seems you have gone a little backwards in that thinking. They are the top table they shouldn't really be putting stress on vulnerable people consistently and need telling what is acceptable by so many of their own MPs.

Maybe 26th June can be called sanity day on here where everyone is just non biased and honest about whatever is in the news:-)
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That was yesterday mate
 
philfodenswristsock said:
The trouble with Starmer is, with a delicious irony, this empty husk of a knackered HR secretary, masquerading as a top line politician, the type of person who epitomises the dead from the neck up, front line political operator, representing the 'uniparty' or the 'single transferable party'... ran on a manifesto of "Change".
For most of us, the concept of change means actually sorting some of the nations problems out. For the spotty faced, greasy haired, pubescent Labour strategy geniuses however, the concept of change simply meant getting rid of the toffs, replacing them with a slightly more snide version who drop their Ts a little more regularly, but ultimately, representing the same interests, turning a blind eye to the same problems and pointing the finger at the same vulnerable people down a few rungs on the class ladder! The ACTUAL changes needed in this country would make an interesting thread, I wouldn't mind betting a group of football fans would have a far more realistic concept of what actually needs to change and why, over a bunch of gormless, bought, compromised, Charlie addled ponces from the private clubs of West London.
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Very good!
 
BobKowalski said:
I’m good so far with the Government. Liked the budget, worker rights bill (so far), EU reset. Happy with them on Ukraine - could do with less sucking on Trump dick.

Six out of ten.
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If you are throwing foreign policy into the mix how does being active participants in an ongoing genocide miss the cut?
 
Norbert D said:
Jeez a Liz the lettuce fan, a lettuce who increased my mortgage by thousands and nearly crashed our pension funds and was only saved by swift action from the BoE. I don’t think we have anything to discuss. Have a nice day.
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Not that the BoE have fessed up to half the problems being their fault.
 
hilts said:
Can't we have the executive actually making good decisions in the first place? It seems to me we would be better picking some of the rebels for cabinet. The u turns so far have been pretty straightforward come on don't be so heartless scenarios. It doesn't say much about their political instinct.
After a day when we all kind of agreed its seems you have gone a little backwards in that thinking. They are the top table they shouldn't really be putting stress on vulnerable people consistently and need telling what is acceptable by so many of their own MPs.

Maybe 26th June can be called sanity day on here where everyone is just non biased and honest about whatever is in the news:-)
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It would be preferable to have the Executive not making dumb decisions, and certainly not causing people unnecessary stress, but I don’t think you’re ever going to get that. Sometimes, people are just dumb or need someone to tell them pull their head out of their arse. Pep is probably the greatest manager of all time, and still has a brain fart every now and then.

But don’t drag it out. Starmer bullied through the WFA and ten months later had to row back. That’s ten months of bad press for fuck all. This time around MPs weren’t having it, so we get a week of bad press and move on.

John Major never recovered from the ERM debacle because he tried to tough it out and scared every homeowner in the country half to death. If he had caved at the beginning and led with ‘leaving the ERM is best for our country (insert bollocks)’ he may have had a chance in ‘97.

The best politicians know when to fold.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Hello chaps. Haven't posted or even visited here for a LONG time. It was just too depressing to contemplate after this shower won the GE last year. I've been wearing a black armband ever since.

Just wondered how the die-hard Labour supporters on here thought it was going? Clearly Labour have a huge majority but since only 1 person in 5 able to vote, actually voted for them, they have no popular mandate and it shows in the polls.

Do you think the current ombi-shambles are just teething troubles, whilst they lay the foundations for long term success? Or as I do, the symptoms of a bunch of clueless socialist idiots who couldn't run a piss up in a brewery, let alone a country. For a party who put GROWTH as their main priority, I cannot imagine a set of policies better tuned to delivering the absolute oppposite.
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I’ve been pretty disappointed by a few things, such as the disability benefit cuts, the winter fuel allowance, and the pandering to the right on immigration. Overall though, they’ve still been a definite improvement on the previous Tory governments, who completely fucked the country over the last decade.
 
They’re are doing well.
I like Starmer, his problem and downfall is that he is not a ideological tosspot so both the right and left detest that and feel they need a leader to believe in there way of thinking rather than having a leader just wanting to do the best for the nation.
 
BobKowalski said:
Couldn’t give a fuck about U turns. It is literally the dumbest thing to get worked up about. If a policy ain’t going to fly, dump it and move on before it gets toxic or like the poll tax under Thatcher causes riots and forces you out of office.
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"U turn if you want to. The lady's not for turning" was her (political) death-knell.

Having abolished the Tory Poll Tax, the Tories under Major took credit for abolishing it. And people voted for it.

If you think Starmer is boring, Major is the only PM who ran away from the circus to become an accountant.
 
Ric said:
Tbf, sounds like you’re quite an authority on the subject.
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It’s the only empirical evidence I have but I’d take a stab that it’s pretty accurate bearing in mind the exponential increase in under 30’s being the largest demographic of claiming PIP.
 
hammocity said:
It’s the only empirical evidence I have but I’d take a stab that it’s pretty accurate bearing in mind the exponential increase in under 30’s being the largest demographic of claiming PIP.
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Aren’t PIP assessors outsourced to private companies?

The civil servants will simply input the decision into their computers.
 
hammocity said:
It’s the only empirical evidence I have but I’d take a stab that it’s pretty accurate bearing in mind the exponential increase in under 30’s being the largest demographic of claiming PIP.
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You’re making sweeping generalisations about young people on benefits (dismissing them as “feckless” and “lazy”) based on your data pool of two people. Says more about you than them, tbh.
 
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