No, it’s about taking the piss, there’s no way the under 30’s have suddenly become the largest growing demographic of claimants without being given encouragement to live this way. Social Media had a lot to answer for, it annoys me genuinely deserved people are being thrown into the same groups as those that are just taking the piss out of the system. I’ve no problem supporting young people that need help and assistance but how come this generation has in the last few years increased by such margins? Seems very strange.
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Kirkstall Blue
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Agree I only know young people in education most have parents who take education seriously would never dream of allowing there children to grow up and claim benefits. One lad I know 21yrs just got a 2-1 degree and straight into a job. The future is bright for young people like that who have someone to guide them.
There is a growing divide in the country a underclass of people with no hope of earning a living it is consistent with the large number of children failing to go back to school post Covid. No Party can fix it all, the divide is growing I’m not talking about genuine physical/mental health people.
Dunno, I imagine Covid had a big impact on people’s mental and physical health for a start.
If that’s what they do then it’s another drain on resources, surely those on the “front line” should be able to make the call rather than relying on computer algorithms and AI assessments which will cost a fortune.
bluethrunthru
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The stats on the former in regards to suicide bear your hypothesis out
Suicides in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Registered deaths from suicide in England and Wales, analysed by sex, age, area of usual residence of the deceased, and suicide method.
www.ons.gov.uk
metalblue
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Starmer has scored some own goals that’s for sure but did he really say he would do what you have listed? This is the top 12 from the Brexit Broadcasting Cohort..
Labour manifesto 2024: 12 key policies analysed
BBC correspondents analyse key policies in the Labour manifesto.www.bbc.co.uk
He made these pledges when he went for leadership of Labour Party. He made others too and some he’s sort of followed through on. I was merely drawing attention to the fact that Starmer is no where near 3 u turns if that x post was counting stuff other politicians said when going for leadership.
metalblue
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I get the sentiment of your post but they’ve had a chance to reverse the 2 child cap and haven’t so not sure I hold out much hope on the rest. Starmer strikes me as a politician who says whatever he thinks folk want to hear but on the flip side he did say he would nationalise rail and he has done that (to some degree) and there’s nothing wrong with not achieving all you plans. I was merely pointing out the inconsistencies with the x post.
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Whilst clearly the last government was far from perfect (none are and this current one obviously isn't), it seems to me that people are very quick to forget that we had an unprecedented global pandemic that fucked the country's economy, something we still have not recovered from. Labour complain about a black hole in the finances, conveniently forgetting that they were all in favour for the furlough scheme that cost £370bn and which has whacked our interest payments right up. Indeed Labour wanted an even more generous scheme that would have wrecked the economy even more.
People seem very quick to discount the war in Ukraine and the impact it's had on energy costs, impacting people's household budgets enormously, but also manufacturing costs and cost of goods and services, i.e. inflation.
Whoever was in charge during such unprecedented times, would surely have found things difficult.
But sadly, political expediency glosses over all of that, and the state of the economy now is entirely Liz Trusses fault and also Boris' for eating some cake when he shouldn't have done.
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I agree. I find it bizarre when I hear of someone whose applied for say 200 jobs and is still out of work.
I think anyone who doesn't have "Hitler" tattooed on their forehead could get a job at Lidl or Tesco or Amazon or somewhere in a week or two if they really put their mind to it and were prepared to accept compromises. And from there, being IN employment, your CV is infinitely improved and when you go for the interview for a job you actually want, and the employer asks you what you've been doing for the last 18 months, you don't have to say "fuck all". Instantly you are much more employable, much more likely to get the job.
My wife's Mum's partner doesn't have a GCSE or any other qualification to his name, but is a grafter and has always found work. He's cleaned windows, worked at a caravan park, in restaurants, and god knows where else. Then more recently got himself an HGV licence and has driven buses, vans and lorries. He's refused to be unemployed and has taken any job he can get. He's also worked whatever overtime he can and has had a decent income.
I understand being a refuse collector (say) may not be appealing but at least it's paid work and gives you a sense of purpose, some discipline to actually get up in the morning. And it's a stepping stone. I'm sure this doesn't apply to everyone but I wonder if some people are perhaps just being too picky?
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It's possible to be overqualified. Employers don't want to employ someone who's already looking for a better job. Someone with a master's degree may find working on the bins may not be a stepping stone they want on their CV.
Anyone with a driving licence can go to a bus company and learn to drive a bus and then a job. I wonder why your guy has not become a driver before. Most bus drivers earn over £35k a year.
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I've come to the conclusion over years of political disappointment that the problem isn't Tory or Red Tory or snivling Libs or Farage etc. The problem is, it's been decided up there in a level far above our democracy that only a very small window of democratic representation is allowed. Once we dream of asking for something different that may feature things like:
A more realistic financial system
Economics based on reality
Non interventionist foreign policy
A fair tax system
Well funded public services
Good employment rights
Realistic wages that keel up with inflation
Fair and competent policing
A say on the direction the country goes thst doesn't begin and end at a 5 yearly election based on lies in manifestos
An immigration policy based on facts and agreement of the public
An education system that works
Etc
Once the public actually want a say on such matters, we are basically told we are not allowed to consider it. In the case of Corbyn, the ENTIRE system circled it's wagons and crushed a kind man, accusing of the most heinous things
In the case of that plumb Truss, the system also had her gone.
I hate Liz Truss, but I don't want someone else overruling democracy. Don't get me wrong, as far a I'm concerned nobody should get shunted into the PM job without an election, i didnt want the moron in charge, but I certainly didnt want unelected, unknown forces pulling the plug without our say. We the people should have the final say. We live in the pretence of a Democracy. Just enough to keep up distracted but not enough to instigate actual much needed change.
A more realistic financial system
Economics based on reality
Non interventionist foreign policy
A fair tax system
Well funded public services
Good employment rights
Realistic wages that keel up with inflation
Fair and competent policing
A say on the direction the country goes thst doesn't begin and end at a 5 yearly election based on lies in manifestos
An immigration policy based on facts and agreement of the public
An education system that works
Etc
Once the public actually want a say on such matters, we are basically told we are not allowed to consider it. In the case of Corbyn, the ENTIRE system circled it's wagons and crushed a kind man, accusing of the most heinous things
In the case of that plumb Truss, the system also had her gone.
I hate Liz Truss, but I don't want someone else overruling democracy. Don't get me wrong, as far a I'm concerned nobody should get shunted into the PM job without an election, i didnt want the moron in charge, but I certainly didnt want unelected, unknown forces pulling the plug without our say. We the people should have the final say. We live in the pretence of a Democracy. Just enough to keep up distracted but not enough to instigate actual much needed change.
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Is that the same Liz Truss who considered ending cancer treatment on the NHS as a solution to the economic turmoil she created?
Liz Truss considered charging UK cancer patients, new book claims
Britain’s shortest serving prime minister explored ending NHS cancer treatment to find savings to stave off economic turmoil.
www.politico.eu
Chippy_boy
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No, that must be another Liz Truss because she never suggested such a thing. It's ludicrous to suggest so.Is that the same Liz Truss who considered ending cancer treatment on the NHS as a solution to the economic turmoil she created?
Liz Truss considered charging UK cancer patients, new book claims
Britain’s shortest serving prime minister explored ending NHS cancer treatment to find savings to stave off economic turmoil.
Hardly anyone would have been able to afford it and deaths would have gone through the roof. If you genuinely think she was suggesting that, you're much drafter than I thought.
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‘Kwarteng, who stood down at the general election, told the paper: “I wasn’t involved in any conversations about restricting healthcare, but that doesn’t mean the prime minister and her team didn’t discuss this.”
Translation: Yes, the daft bat suggested it.
Chippy_boy
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Utter rubbish and you know it.
Still, I suppose you needed a deflection from my point that state of the country is in large part due to COVID and Ukraine.
metalblue
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The view of the left and centre left of the party
Downing Street "see us as an inconvenience, people to manage, not to listen to. When we are invited into No 10, and it doesn't happen often, it is to be told what to think," is how one MP puts it.
The view from Starmer loyalists
"Outrageous", "weak", "totally lacking in moral fibre" are just a few of the choice words from Starmer loyalists - yes, loyalists.
The reason Labour struggle to get elected has always been muted that they are their own worst enemy with infighting etc… it usually spells the end of the tories as well but they are better at keeping their internal shit together for longer.
www.bbc.co.uk
Downing Street "see us as an inconvenience, people to manage, not to listen to. When we are invited into No 10, and it doesn't happen often, it is to be told what to think," is how one MP puts it.
The view from Starmer loyalists
"Outrageous", "weak", "totally lacking in moral fibre" are just a few of the choice words from Starmer loyalists - yes, loyalists.
The reason Labour struggle to get elected has always been muted that they are their own worst enemy with infighting etc… it usually spells the end of the tories as well but they are better at keeping their internal shit together for longer.
Prime minister's benefit cuts U-turn leaves backbenchers feeling bruised
After the PM's efforts to mend relations with many on Labour's left, plenty are still unhappy.
www.bbc.co.uk
"So, Mr Hilts, I'm looking at your CV. What have you been doing between your last job and now?"