The Labour Government

[Chippy_boy]

There is a very simple difference between legal (visa) migration and people who enter the country illegally on boats.

I think you'd find that the majority of the British public have no problem with legal migration but they do want to stop people crossing on boats because they are a massive drain on resources.... still we need not worry as Keir is on the case to smash the gangs isn't he?

The migrant issues should not be conflated, that is of course, to do so helps some cause or campaign.

Have a friendly word with Keir and tell him how he save money by not housing and providing for the people who are entering the country illegally without documents.

I think a lot of people (me included) have a problem with legal migration as well.

I am not opposed to it in principle. The issue I have is essentially pragmatic:

1. Irrespective of planning reforms, we do not have the bandwidth in terms of electricians, plumbers, plasters, roofers, bricklayers etc, to build the requisite numbers of houses. My brother-in-law is a builder and knows this all too well. Have you tried getting hold of a plumber lately? Anyone who is any good is booked up for weeks or months. We cannot continue bringing hundreds of thousands of additional people into the country every year as things stand. We can't house them, we don't have sufficient hospital or healthcare capacity or transport or anything else. The country is FULL.

2. Social integration. Surely we can all agree we want a well-integrated, socially harmonious society where sure, everyone has their own cultural heritage but we all rub along and respect what we have in common and also our differences. In far too many cases, we don't have that at the moment. We have right wing racist thugs hell bent on "taking our country back" and we have largely Muslim communities not integrating and declaring Islamic no-go areas for westerners. This cannot continue and with immigration running at current rates, it's only going to get worse until something terrible finally snaps. We could even end up in civil war unless we start to take this problem very seriously.

 

[hampshireblue]

Cannot understand why Reeves is having to increase taxes....?

Labour entered Government on a clear mandate that they had a fully costed manifesto and there would be no furher tax increases...

Then they try and snatch back the WFA from ALL pensioners, not just the wealthy ones. Why the fuck didn't they just pay the WFA to pensioners who were on basic rate tax or lower, that'd be easy enough to do. Anyway they failed there and have had to U turn.

Then they increase Employers NI which anyone can see is going to have a huge effect across society, price increases because believe it or not, the employers were neve going to stand the full impact of that.

Then we come to Council tax.... 8% here...

All the above under the banner of no tax increases and a fully costed budget... yeah right.

So why do they need to increase taxes? Oh yeah to cut the benefits of the sick and disabled.... really?

... and you want people to feel sorry for a Chancellor who is in a job she cannot do? If she's that bothered then she should resign in the interests of the people she's lied to and the Labour party.

You really do spout some rubbish as highlighted above and you even capitalised your own rubbish. Well done, I'm sure you keep many of us amused on a daily basis.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You really do spout some rubbish as highlighted above and you even capitalised your own rubbish. Well done, I'm sure you keep many of us amused on a daily basis.

Shame there is no "unlike" button or you'd have surely got it. There was nothing remotely unreasonable in his post and if you cannot see that, you are dimmer than I thought.

 

[hampshireblue]

I think a lot of people (me included) have a problem with legal migration as well.

I am not opposed to it in principle. The issue I have is essentially pragmatic:

1. Irrespective of planning reforms, we do not have the bandwidth in terms of electricians, plumbers, plasters, roofers, bricklayers etc, to build the requisite numbers of houses. My brother-in-law is a builder and knows this all too well. Have you tried getting hold of a plumber lately? Anyone who is any good is booked up for weeks or months. We cannot continue bringing hundreds of thousands of additional people into the country every year as things stand. We can't house them, we don't have sufficient hospital or healthcare capacity or transport or anything else. The country is FULL.

2. Social integration. Surely we can all agree we want a well-integrated, socially harmonious society where sure, everyone has their own cultural heritage but we all rub along and respect what we have in common and also our differences. In far too many cases, we don't have that at the moment. We have right wing racist thugs hell bent on "taking our country back" and we have largely Muslim communities not integrating and declaring Islamic no-go areas for westerners. This cannot continue and with immigration running at current rates, it's only going to get worse until something terrible finally snaps. We could even end up in civil war unless we start to take this problem very seriously.

My recent experience in hospital would be that there would be NO effective NHS without them. I was treated by nationalities from East Timor to Trinidad and many points in between including Nepal, Iran, Nigeria and Philippines amongst many others. The hospital is on the edge of a large town with a fairly sizeable Muslim population. In nearly 3 weeks. I counted less than a handful of non-White patients whilst the vast majority of those doing the caring were from ethnic backgrounds.

On social integration, I interact regularly with poeple from Muslim backgrounds. Unfortunatley I cant say the same for white British millionaires and billionaires. Maybe proper social integration should start at home!

 

[hampshireblue]

Shame there is no "unlike" button or you'd have surely got it. There was nothing remotely unreasonable in his post and if you cannot see that, you are dimmer than I thought.

Because it's factually WRONG. No other reason. If people want to make a point, do so with facts not rubbish that they think will not get spotted. And if you can't see that or think it's acceptable....

 

[Chippy_boy]

My recent experience in hospital would be that there would be NO effective NHS without them. I was treated by nationalities from East Timor to Trinidad and many points in between including Nepal, Iran, Nigeria and Philippines amongst many others. The hospital is on the edge of a large town with a fairly sizeable Muslim population. In nearly 3 weeks. I counted less than a handful of non-White patients whilst the vast majority of those doing the caring were from ethnic backgrounds.

On social integration, I interact regularly with poeple from Muslim backgrounds. Unfortunatley I cant say the same for white British millionaires and billionaires. Maybe proper social integration should start at home!

Oh FFS

And I didn’t call for anyone to be deported, did I. So why bring up the status quo re the NHS?

I think another FFS is in order. Your response to our social integration challenges is that billionaires don’t mix? I despair at the drivel on here some times, I really do.

 

[BrianW]

Have a friendly word with Keir and tell him how he save money by not housing and providing for the people who are entering the country illegally without documents.

I think you'll find that solving this problem is not the doddle that you think it is. Since a solution would undoubtedly gain votes, why has neither the last government nor the current one achieved one?

Answer, because it's hard.

Reform and their ilk offer simplistic solutions that will not work and/or are impractical. Annoyingly, their stupid Brexit is one of the causes of the whole issue. Not that they, or their fans, will ever admit that!

There are some problems - those with an international aspect - that no nation state can solve on its own. This is one of them. Anyone who says otherwise is doing a King Canute. Unless they want to turn this country into a version of North Korea, cut off from the world and so horrendous in its ways that no one wants to go there.

What we could do, that would help, would be for us all to have proper ID cards, and for employment law to be severely tightened to smash the black economy. But the very people most opposed to asylum seekers would be the last to agree to such measures. They want a less regulated economy, not the opposite.

But this would be just a start. It wouldn't solve the whole issue, as we need to invest hugely in shortage skills. BTW that costs money, which means higher taxes, and you won't get it by just hammering the Duke of Westminster and his ilk.

 

[hampshireblue]

And I didn’t call for anyone to be deported, did I. So why bring up the status quo re the NHS?

I think another FFS is in order. Your response to our social integration challenges is that billionaires don’t mix? I despair at the drivel on here some times, I really do.

My point is that we NEED these people here if our own are not prepared or able to carry out these roles. Full or not, and we are clearly not if you look around, unless there is a major shift in what the "locals" are prepared to do, future legal immigration is a necessity. You are the only person who suggested deportation.

Yes, there is a lot of drivel. I do, however try to keep mine factual. Remeber it's only a week since you were 50% out with one of your own "facts"! bye for now.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

My recent experience in hospital would be that there would be NO effective NHS without them. I was treated by nationalities from East Timor to Trinidad and many points in between including Nepal, Iran, Nigeria and Philippines amongst many others. The hospital is on the edge of a large town with a fairly sizeable Muslim population. In nearly 3 weeks. I counted less than a handful of non-White patients whilst the vast majority of those doing the caring were from ethnic backgrounds.

On social integration, I interact regularly with poeple from Muslim backgrounds. Unfortunatley I cant say the same for white British millionaires and billionaires. Maybe proper social integration should start at home!

I was in A and E last week and I was in the minority as a white english man. Agreed the care was from ethnic backgrounds but isn't that the point? If you can offer something and contribute to our society then fill your boots? If you can't then off you pop? Seems straight forward to me.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Shame there is no "unlike" button or you'd have surely got it. There was nothing remotely unreasonable in his post and if you cannot see that, you are dimmer than I thought.

I was going to factually challenge him bur TBF it's just not worth it.

I do know for a fact that:

Labour were elected with a fully funded manifesto.

Labour did pledge that there were going to be no Tax increases

Labour did remove WFA for all pensioners

Labour did increase Employers NIC

Council Taxes have increased

I really don't know what he's on about... "posting shit".

As was posted earlier... the Labour supporters on here don't seem to want to own their own problems and are keen to blame everyone else, such has been highlighted by this illogical, meaningless and pointless response.

 

[Chippy_boy]

My point is that we NEED these people here if our own are not prepared or able to carry out these roles. Full or not, and we are clearly not if you look around, unless there is a major shift in what the "locals" are prepared to do, future legal immigration is a necessity. You are the only person who suggested deportation.

Yes, there is a lot of drivel. I do, however try to keep mine factual. Remeber it's only a week since you were 50% out with one of your own "facts"! bye for now.

What on earth are you talking about??? “You are the only person who suggested deportation”?

For someone priding themselves on facts it’s quite ironic how you get that one completely wrong. I said no such thing.

And I didn’t say we need no immigration either. Another one wrong. I said we need net “close to” zero. Net. That is not zero it’s close to zero and it’s not zero, it’s net zero. Could be 100,000 coming in and 80,000 leaving. So wrong again.

 

[BlueHammer85]

She needs to walk away for the good of her health. Awful to see that. Not cut out for the job but as you say, hope she’s ok.

How do we not know she has suffered a personal bereavement in her family or something similar ? telling someone to walk away from a job is patronizing when all we know so far is that it is a personal matter.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I was going to factually challenge him bur TBF it's just not worth it.

You clearly have more sense than me!

 

[BigJoe#1]

What on earth are you talking about??? “You are the only person who suggested deportation”?

For someone priding themselves on facts it’s quite ironic how you get that one completely wrong. I said no such thing.

And I didn’t say we need no immigration either. Another one wrong. I said we need net “close to” zero. Net. That is not zero it’s close to zero and it’s not zero, it’s net zero. Could be 100,000 coming in and 80,000 leaving. So wrong again.

Incapable of differentiating between legal (visa) immigration and illegal migration.

People need to recognise that we cannot accommodate everybody from anywhere and immigration needs to be controlled. People that enter the country illegally need (somehow) to be dealt with, firmly, fairly and speedily - not put up in hotels at a massive cost to the UK taxpayer.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I think a lot of people (me included) have a problem with legal migration as well.

I am not opposed to it in principle. The issue I have is essentially pragmatic:

1. Irrespective of planning reforms, we do not have the bandwidth in terms of electricians, plumbers, plasters, roofers, bricklayers etc, to build the requisite numbers of houses. My brother-in-law is a builder and knows this all too well. Have you tried getting hold of a plumber lately? Anyone who is any good is booked up for weeks or months. We cannot continue bringing hundreds of thousands of additional people into the country every year as things stand. We can't house them, we don't have sufficient hospital or healthcare capacity or transport or anything else. The country is FULL.

2. Social integration. Surely we can all agree we want a well-integrated, socially harmonious society where sure, everyone has their own cultural heritage but we all rub along and respect what we have in common and also our differences. In far too many cases, we don't have that at the moment. We have right wing racist thugs hell bent on "taking our country back" and we have largely Muslim communities not integrating and declaring Islamic no-go areas for westerners. This cannot continue and with immigration running at current rates, it's only going to get worse until something terrible finally snaps. We could even end up in civil war unless we start to take this problem very seriously.

Thankfully Labour have halved net migration in a year.

Net migration to UK down by half in 2024 compared with year before

Office for National Statistics estimate shows fall from 860,000 in 2023 to 431,000 last year

www.theguardian.com

 

[Chippy_boy]

How do we not know she has suffered a personal bereavement in her family or something similar ? telling someone to walk away from a job is patronizing when all we know so far is that it is a personal matter.

Like when she’ll step down for personal reasons. Yeah right.

She’s hardly likely to say sorry I’ve been crying because I’ve made such a fuck up of the last 12 months and I’m going to get the sack soon, is she.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Incapable of differentiating between legal (visa) immigration and illegal migration.

People need to recognise that we cannot accommodate everybody from anywhere and immigration needs to be controlled. People tht enter the country illegally need (somehow) to be dealt with, firmly, fairly and speedily - not put up in hotels at a massive cost to the UK taxpayer.

True - I was referring to legal migration.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Thankfully Labour have halved net migration in a year.

Net migration to UK down by half in 2024 compared with year before

Office for National Statistics estimate shows fall from 860,000 in 2023 to 431,000 last year

www.theguardian.com

Only they haven’t, Sunak has.

From your article, “The drop from 860,000 in the year to December 2024 follows a series of policies implemented by the last Conservative government that have been continued by the present Labour government.”

 

[hampshireblue]

I was going to factually challenge him bur TBF it's just not worth it.

I do know for a fact that:

Labour were elected with a fully funded manifesto.

Labour did pledge that there were going to be no Tax increases

Labour did remove WFA for all pensioners

Labour did increase Employers NIC

Council Taxes have increased

I really don't know what he's on about... "posting shit".

As was posted earlier... the Labour supporters on here don't seem to want to own their own problems and are keen to blame everyone else, such has been highlighted by this illogical, meaningless and pointless response.

On which point:

The one where you stated as a fact that aLL pensioners were to lose WFA?-WRONG
or
That central government is responsible for your Council Tax increase? -WRONG AGAIN

Let's not forget it's only a few weeks ago we had to explain to you the difference between Better Off and Worse Off , and that Labour weren't responsible for your car insurance going up. Although you did blame them for your utility prices and I note there's not been a hint of comment from you or others over a 7% reduction in the prices announced yesterday-that means you will be(all together now) ... Better Off!!

As for "posting shit" - just stop doing it.

 

[hampshireblue]

True - I was referring to legal migration.

As did I!!