Bob Vylan

I think he's no doubt been contacted by some authority, and it's in his own interest not to disclose that.

His performance and the whole Glastonbury fall-out has just dragged UK politics into a Israel debate - when in fact everyone I've spoken to has a far bigger issue to the 'not getting your country back' rhetoric that's been ignored.
 
Bruno37 said:
I think he's no doubt been contacted by some authority, and it's in his own interest not to disclose that.

His performance and the whole Glastonbury fall-out has just dragged UK politics into a Israel debate - when in fact everyone I've spoken to has a far bigger issue to the 'not getting your country back' rhetoric that's been ignored.
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What do you think should have been reported about that though? It’s a song they released five years ago and if you listen to all of it I don’t think it’s really that controversial, I actually find having a problem with it more so.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The problem is that people other than Jews make that conflation.
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I find this a really odd answer.

Why is it OK for Ephraim Mirvis to equate the IDF to Jews, but if people other than Jews do the same it's a problem?

Obviously no one wants to see anti-semitism rise as a result of people criticising Israeli policy, but if it's a legitimate concern that antisemitic attacks will happen if people equate the 2 seperate things then it's a problem regardless of who's doing it.
 
domalino said:
I find this a really odd answer.

Why is it OK for Ephraim Mirvis to equate the IDF to Jews, but if people other than Jews do the same it's a problem?

Obviously no one wants to see anti-semitism rise as a result of people criticising Israeli policy, but if it's a legitimate concern that antisemitic attacks will happen if people equate the 2 seperate things then it's a problem regardless of who's doing it.
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You've missed the fucking point completely.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You've missed the fucking point completely.
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Have I?

You responded to somoene saying it's dangerous that the Chief Rabbi equated the IDF to Jews with a comment about how it's dangerous if non-Jews do that, while completely ignoring the fact that post you replied to was about Ephraim Mirvis doing it.

I mean the very first sentence of your comment is "The problem is that people other than Jews make that conflation." which implies it's not a problem if Jewish people do it, but as far as I can work out, if equating the Israeli military to Jewishness is something that could incite antisemitic attacks, it's a pretty big problem that the Chief Rabbi is doing exactly that on the front pages this morning.
 
meltonblue said:
What do you think should have been reported about that though? It’s a song they released five years ago and if you listen to all of it I don’t think it’s really that controversial, I actually find having a problem with it more so.
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I don't know what should be reported, that I think is the problem that causes debate. People see cases like Lucy Connelly and countless other ring doorbell X videos of Police turning up on basis of reported non-offence incidents, inviting you down to the station for an interview - but if you refuse you'll be arrested on suspicion.

Sadly, I can't unsee or erase from memory Police arresting people or knocking on peoples doors for social media posts over the last 3 years. It's why my bias was always fuck that guy. Time x Reality means i've levelled, I find it horribly distasteful, but I defend his right to say it.

To answer you question - I don't think anything should be reported.

Good on BV showing the world who he is and what he wants to sign about on the biggest stage of his musical career. He's now into the zeitgeist. 20k YT fans before hand. Nothing about his musical quality mind is ever questioned, nor Knee Cap - proving Glastonbury is no longer a music- it's politically captured.

Plan B was much a better rapper in my opinion.
 
Bruno37 said:
I don't know what should be reported, that I think is the problem that causes debate. People see cases like Lucy Connelly and countless other ring doorbell X videos of Police turning up on basis of reported non-offence incidents, inviting you down to the station for an interview - but if you refuse you'll be arrested on suspicion.

Sadly, I can't unsee or erase from memory Police arresting people or knocking on peoples doors for social media posts over the last 3 years. It's why my bias was always fuck that guy. Time x Reality means i've levelled, I find it horribly distasteful, but I defend his right to say it.

To answer you question - I don't think anything should be reported.

Good on BV showing the world who he is and what he wants to sign about on the biggest stage of his musical career. He's now into the zeitgeist. 20k YT fans before hand. Nothing about his musical quality mind - Plan B was much a better rapper?
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Bear in mind that song is an anti racism song, there really isn’t anything in there you wouldn’t hear in a lot of other songs. The last line of it about wanting the country back is him saying so does he.

On his qualities, I’ve liked some that I’ve heard, others that I really don’t. Not really my genre though!
 
I'm sorry it's you in the firing line as you're one of the better posters on here but I am fucking sick to the back teeth of hearing patronising shite from non-Jews why I, as a Jew, albeit a non-religious one, should be upset, or shouldn't be upset, about something that impacts me directly or indirectly. Or excusing naked or latent Jew-hate. Or taking a position that Israel is the only bad nation in the world, when civilians have been indiscriminately massacred in their thousands in the countries bordering them or in the wider Middle East, not to mention the rest of Africa and Asia.

So yes, you have missed the point.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The IDF itself is composed of individuals doing various jobs, many of whom are not in front line roles and wouldn't dream of indiscriminately shooting someone in a situation where their own life wasn't threatened. Many reservists have refused to be called up because they disagree, or choose non-combat roles. Where soldiers have done that, either under orders or unilaterally, and the country they're fighting on behalf of is supposedly a democracy with an independent judiciary, then they should be tried for that rather than some dreadlocked prick from Ipswich advocating mass murder.
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Obviously, but Bob was unlikely to chant “Death death to the IDF troops who are killing Palestinians, not the ones sat in offices or the reservists refusing to join up”
 
meltonblue said:
Bear in mind that song is an anti racism song, there really isn’t anything in there you wouldn’t hear in a lot of other songs. The last line of it about wanting the country back is him saying so does he.

On his qualities, I’ve liked some that I’ve heard, others that I really don’t. Not really my genre though!
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Never ever brought up racism. What in fact do I have to bear in mind - racism? What defines racism in 2025 - I think Bob Vylan's 'He's a Man' video is an obvious attack on stereotypes - do I find it racist - no. Could I perceive it so, yes. Racially offensive, no. Is it providing juxtaposition on accurate stereotype - yes.

I don't care what I hear, or what people say. It's about the morality and fabric of what is being said in the first place.

The fall-out has been reported as Israel vs. Palestine framing - dragging UK political discourse into the never ending death spiral of Israel.
 
Bruno37 said:
Never ever brought up racism. What in fact do I have to bear in mind - racism? What defines racism in 2025 - I think Bob Vylan's 'He's a Man' video is an obvious attack on stereotypes - do I find it racist - no. Could I perceive it so, yes. Racially offensive, no. Is it providing juxtaposition on accurate stereotype - yes.

I don't care what I hear, or what people say. It's about the morality and fabric of what is being said in the first place.

The fall-out has been reported as Israel vs. Palestine framing - dragging UK political discourse into the never ending death spiral of Israel.
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I was just saying the people that have been making a furore about it haven’t bothered to actually listen the full song and if they did they’d realise it’s having a go at racists, that’s all.

It’s not a comparable to what they’re trying to make it to, like Connelly or even the other things Vylan said himself.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Suppose during the Northern Irish troubles, after Bloody Sunday for example, he'd stood on stage and called for death to the British Army? I suspect there wouldn't be many on here defending him.
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If the British Army went on to kill 1000's of innocent civilians, including women and children, at the behest of a war criminal and engaged in genocide then I guess they might or even do something more severe ...

You seem more worried about a few words at a music festival, than the pointless deaths in Gaza day after day, which only serves to fuel extremism and drive future recruitment and hatred ... Bit like what would have happened if the British engaged in endless Bloody Sundays !
 
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Scoobz3 said:
If the British Aremy went on to kill 1000's of innocent civilians, including women and children, at the behest of a war criminal and engaged in genocide then I guess they might or even do something more severe ...

You seem more worried about a few words at a music festival, than the pointless deaths in Gaza day after day, which only serves to fuel extremism and drive future recruitment and hatred ... Bit like what would have happened if the British engaged in endless Bloody Sundays !
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Correct. You’re just banging your head against a brick wall though trying to debate with him
 
domalino said:
I don’t think they crossed any legal lines.

Incitement to violence has to carry immediacy with it,
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Are you a lawyer and/or do you know that assertion to be true? Or have you just made it up?

I'm not a lawyer but I am unaware of any such get out of jail card.

"Kill your MP next year" would be OK would it?
 
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