Palestine Action

Manchester33 said:
I get the point that you’re making, but if you genuinely think it’s right that these people are being labelled ‘terrorists’ and arrested for supporting PA, then that’s madness.

I’m sure there were laws in 1930s Germany banning people from speaking up then, also…

We’re meant to have freedom of expression in the U.K. That freedom is being eroded to defend a regime committing genocide.

Genocide is genocide. We should oppose it at any cost. History will not look favourably on those who aid Israel and their genocidal disgrace of a ‘defence force’.
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Here's a shocker for you.

Are you ready for this?


Sit down.





We don't. We have NO law that guarentees FULL freedom of expression that does not end up in persecution of the law in the UK. There is no "1st Amendment" equivalent right in the UK.

Crazy right?
 
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Bluemanc100 said:
“Journalist” is a bit of a stretch.. “Left Wing Activist” is more like it
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Dealing with the plane graffiti/damage under existing law - everyone’s forgotten it in a month or so.

Making them a terrorist organisation and arresting old ladies - you hand the fucker a huge soapbox to stand on and a fuck off huge megaphone to shout about it for fucking forever.

I mean, well done. Fucking smart move. Well played.
 
Metal Biker said:
Then why did they do it if they knew the action itself was illegal?
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Why they did it was to…….”they sprayed red paint it represents “the blood spilled by Palestinians we are complicit in the annihilation of Gaza and its people.
I’m not going to justify there actions as they broke the law but the government calling it a terrorist organisation when the IDF are the real terrorist and they say nothing.
 
BobKowalski said:
Dealing with the plane graffiti/damage under existing law - everyone’s forgotten it in a month or so.

Making them a terrorist organisation and arresting old ladies - you hand the fucker a huge soapbox to stand on and a fuck off huge megaphone to shout about it for fucking forever.

I mean, well done. Fucking smart move. Well played.
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I’m certainly not a Starmer fan but the guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.. Things are going pear shaped on his watch and he’s done something about it based on military intelligence I guess..

It’s not the first fuck up from his govt is it
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Why they did it was to…….”they sprayed red paint it represents “the blood spilled by Palestinians we are complicit in the annihilation of Gaza and its people.
I’m not going to justify there actions as they broke the law but the government calling it a terrorist organisation when the IDF are the real terrorist and they say nothing.
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I understand the symbolism and the emotive action behind it, but the action itself was against UK law.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Simple as that. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you know your actions are illegal, expect legal action to be taken. In the eyes of the law, sentiment and purpose hold no sway in the eyes of the courts. Personal opinion holds no gravitas here. The law is, the Law is the law.
 
Metal Biker said:
That you disagree with laws decided and authorised by our democratically elected Parliamentary members?

Says a lot. Or are we advocating for a full on anarchistic regime? Just so I know.
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If you want to misinterpret my comment that way, knock yourself out
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Why they did it was to…….”they sprayed red paint it represents “the blood spilled by Palestinians we are complicit in the annihilation of Gaza and its people.
I’m not going to justify there actions as they broke the law but the government calling it a terrorist organisation when the IDF are the real terrorist and they say nothing, we are not calling for a ceasefire and release of any remaining hostages
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That's not why they have been designated a terrorist group. Many of their members have been shown, after Police investigation, to be supportive of the terror group Hamas, which IS an illegal offence in the UK. THAT is whay Palestine Action has been declared a terror group.

Granny and Blue Haired girl might not be supportive of Hamas personally, but if they ARE supportive of a group which has been proven to be complicit to be supportive of a banned terror group i.e Palestine Action, they are seen under UK law as being equally guilty. They know this, so stop, or face prosecution by the law.

Their choice.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
My lad works there chap… Any possibility that there was any paint ingress on the engine or unseen damage from the crowbar they also employed and zero chances can be taken…

Not sure I said anything about the woman… Did I? Apart from my comment about her not having any family caught up in the attacks on October 7th
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And nor should they. Check the timeline of the aircraft returning to service, and crosscheck against your lad's estimation for changing an engine as has been claimed.

Also tell me how this is terrorism and not criminal damage.
 
Metal Biker said:
I understand the symbolism and the emotive action behind it, but the action itself was against UK law.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Simple as that. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you know your actions are illegal, expect legal action to be taken. In the eyes of the law, sentiment and purpose hold no sway in the eyes of the courts. Personal opinion holds no gravitas here. The law is, the Law is the law.
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Except you seem to be suggesting they should know that what they did was terrorism before it was terrorism

Also I believe there is a defence in law about stopping the great crime (genocide or war crimes or support of them )
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I’m certainly not a Starmer fan but the guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.. Things are going pear shaped on his watch and he’s done something about it based on military intelligence I guess..

It’s not the first fuck up from his govt is it
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WRicko said:
Except you seem to be suggesting they should know that what they did was terrorism before it was terrorism

Also I believe there is a defence in law about stopping the great crime (genocide or war crimes or support of them )
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Parliament decides. We, the democratic voting citizens, follow their advice. They announce this to the public, via various news outlets, but then again, UK law policy is that "ignorance of the law, is no excuse".

As is the law. (Finding the problem yet?)
 
Metal Biker said:
I understand the symbolism and the emotive action behind it, but the action itself was against UK law.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Simple as that. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If you know your actions are illegal, expect legal action to be taken. In the eyes of the law, sentiment and purpose hold no sway in the eyes of the courts. Personal opinion holds no gravitas here. The law is, the Law is the law.
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They knew the law breaking and entering MOD land. Arrest and lock up the culprits but turning it into a terrorist organisation there is no need to go that far.

The provisional IRA was a terrorist group who blew up and bombed innocent civilians in the UK it was a terrorist group.
A pointless discussion as I’ve agreed it’s illegal to spray red paint, that’s not terrorism bombing people is.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
They knew the law breaking and entering MOD land. Arrest and lock up the culprits but turning it into a terrorist organisation there is no need to go that far.

The provisional IRA was a terrorist group who blew up and bombed innocent civilians in the UK it was a terrorist group.
A pointless discussion as I’ve agreed it’s illegal to spray red paint, that’s not terrorism bombing people is.
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Parliament decided that. The British public votes on Parliament.

But again, that is NOT why Palestine Action have been declared a terrorist organisation. Their prominant and active members have show public support for Hamas, which is illegal. That is why they have been declared a terrorist group and illegal. The RAF action just gained public attention.
 
WRicko said:
I don’t understand why your asking that
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You don't understand why people committed an act which they knew was illegal yet did it anyway then people question why they were reprimanded by the law?

I can't help you there, pal.
 
Metal Biker said:
"Forget the law for a minute..."

No, I don't think I shall. Law is the Law. Obey it, or be considered an outlaw and face justice of our legal system. Just as those during the Southport riots discovered, perceived severity of a crime does not protect them from the courts.
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Were the Southport rioters terrorists? They terrorised more people than Palestine Action.
 
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