Palestine Action

I think if one is too uncomfortable to call Netanyahu a ****, if one is too uncomfortable to call out murdering children, if one is too uncomfortable to use the correct term genocide then the last thing you want is people protesting and making you look worse.
If people didn't know before they do now.
Don't be upset about dead kids and respond with placards because you will be called a terrorist to shut you and others up before it looks really bad.

All within the law of course. Can't believe we are arguing about this utter bullshit. Never thought I would see this in the UK.
 
inbetween said:
PA wasn't a proscribed terrorist organisation when it happened so they will be prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act or just bog standard criminal damage. Unlike terror laws neither of these crimes carry stringent sentences so the government is right to explore a harsher deterrence to stop it happening again.

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Well, that's wrong. They've been charged with conspiracy to enter a prohibited place knowingly for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or interests of the UK, and conspiracy to commit criminal damage. The police will make out they committed terrorism offences under the Terrorism Act section 1. That's separate to proscription.

"Conspiracy charges of course are what you charge people with when your evidence is thin."
 
Vic said:
Well, that's wrong. They've been charged with conspiracy to enter a prohibited place knowingly for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or interests of the UK, and conspiracy to commit criminal damage. The police will make out they committed terrorism offences under the Terrorism Act section 1. That's separate to proscription.

"Conspiracy charges of course are what you charge people with when your evidence is thin."
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But it's not just the Brieze Norton airbase is it?
Nor is it just Ebit defence subsidiary in the UK.
Sub contractors that supply other UK defence industries have been attacked.
Protest is protest.
But, Palestine Action are out of control and are threatening the UK's defence - especially against Russia.
This is unacceptable.
It is, by every measure of the term, sn attack against the UK. It is treason if the old law still existed.
They deserve everything they get.
 
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hilts said:
I think if one is too uncomfortable to call Netanyahu a ****, if one is too uncomfortable to call out murdering children, if one is too uncomfortable to use the correct term genocide then the last thing you want is people protesting and making you look worse.
If people didn't know before they do now.
Don't be upset about dead kids and respond with placards because you will be called a terrorist to shut you and others up before it looks really bad.

All within the law of course. Can't believe we are arguing about this utter bullshit. Never thought I would see this in the UK.
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Well said


Thirty eight more Palestinians bombed out of existence today by the IDF as they proceed to “wipe Gaza clean” and sell the resulting real estate to illegal settlers. I know who the criminals are and it’s not P.A.
70% of Gaza destroyed already the minister thinks “it’s funny”
 
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inbetween said:
This is nonsense though and it's total fuss over nothing. There is nothing to stop anybody from protesting about this issue in the UK. The question is do you support an organisation that commits criminal damage in the name of a political cause or not? If you do then yes you could now be arrested and rightly so.

If you protest in Manchester tomorrow and forget to write "Palestine Action" on your placard and you also manage to avoid causing criminal damage to an aircraft then I guarantee that you will not be arrested so there is no problem.

It actually blurs the issue because the issue of the Palestininan people has become secondary to the serial protester farts who are more interested in moaning about their right to protest.
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What cause would you suggest for a nice fuss free protest?
 
inchy14 said:
Thanks, no mention of any violence to members of the public or services as far as I can see.
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Particularly revealing is the Prime Minister's response to the incident:

“The act of vandalism committed at RAF Brize Norton is disgraceful.”

Do Prime Ministers typically describe acts of terrorism in similar terms to someone writing graffiti on a toilet door?
 
inbetween said:
If you wanted to preserve criminal protests then I can just simply ask do you believe that people should goto prison for social media posts? I guess not?

I'm pretty sure the same folk on here were desperate to lock up far-right social media posters and yet they're desperate to protect the criminal behaviour of Palestine Action, you can't have it both ways.
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Has anyone argued that the people who damaged the plane shouldn't be arrested or go to prison? I haven't seen anyone say that. What they're saying is that they're not terrorists. Do you think they're terrorists?
 
inbetween said:
People have been protesting about Palestine just fine for nigh on 2 years now. It makes no difference that PA has been proscribed, anybody can protest about it, you just can't support PA who are clearly more than a protest group.

There is no defence for what they have done. Proscribing them is perhaps harsh but then how many other protest groups do you see jumping into our military airbases and damaging our military aircraft?

If you wanted to preserve criminal protests then I can just simply ask do you believe that people should goto prison for social media posts? I guess not?

I'm pretty sure the same folk on here were desperate to lock up far-right social media posters and yet they're desperate to protect the criminal behaviour of Palestine Action, you can't have it both ways.
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No, i don't believe prison is the answer to most sm posts, in the same way i don't believe criminalising protesters for holding up signs is right.
 
inbetween said:
By definition there's an argument that they're terrorists yes. What is the point of their proscription and how would future court cases hold up if by definition they actually weren't terrorists?
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Erm, they'd get done for criminal damage. You can get up to 10 years in prison for criminal damage above £5k. And the sentencing guidelines are based on the following criteria.

1. Culpability
2. Harm

And let's look at the definition of high culpability:
  • High degree of planning or premeditation
  • Revenge attack
  • Intention to cause very serious damage to property
  • Intention to create a high risk of injury to persons
And category 1 harm:
  • Serious distress caused
  • Serious consequential economic or social impact of offence
  • High value of damage
The typical range for an offence that fits into both categories is 6 months to 4 years, but can be as high as 10 years.

You see the laws already exist that make their actions illegal and allow the courts to put them in prison. The vote to make them a proscribed terrorist group seemingly has absolutely nothing to do with giving the police the power to punish them, and everything to do with clamping down on protests that the British government finds inconvenient and uncomfortable, especially given that the group seems to primarily target a particular Israeli arms dealer. And incidentally, this is exactly what everyone warned the Terrorist Act would eventually be used for when it was first brought in.

I would suggest that if we're basing it entirely on an objective view of the facts, if PA are terrorists, then there would be a lot of other organisations (especially environmental and animal rights groups) that would also be considered terrorists.
 
Vic said:
Put it another way. Would you rather police were arresting peaceful protesters or looking for shoplifters?
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Arresting the protesters supporting a proscribed group.

Although there’s no real reason why they couldn’t do both. Only takes five minutes to throw a few middle class, middle aged attention seekers into the back of a police van.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Arresting the protesters supporting a proscribed group.

Although there’s no real reason why they couldn’t do both. Only takes five minutes to throw a few middle class, middle aged attention seekers into the back of a police van.
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So an elderly grandma aged over 80 holding a stop the Slaughtering in Gaza sign is of paramount importance to arrest over a robbery?
 
The blue phantom said:
So an elderly grandma aged over 80 holding a stop the Slaughtering in Gaza sign is of paramount importance to arrest over a robbery?
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We both know that’s not why she was arrested. So please don’t throw known inaccuracies and other nonsense into the argument, just because you can’t accept that the law should apply equally to everyone. This thread’s absolutely full of it.

The person in question was arrested for supporting a proscribed group. Quite rightly so.
 
Brewster's millions said:
We both know that’s not why she was arrested. So please don’t throw known inaccuracies and other nonsense into the argument, just because you can’t accept that the law should apply equally to everyone. This thread’s absolutely full of it.

The person in question was arrested for supporting a proscribed group. Quite rightly so.
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O.k. the sign under the wording Slaughtering of Palestinians also has. Yourse sincerely Palestine Action.

Now should that woman be a priority to be arrested by several coppers over a Robbery nearby.

Simple Yes or No?
 
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