The Labour Government

[hampshireblue]

Their endorsement is on face value, good news, but at the same time, puzzling.

I am very dubious if the above is the consensus view. Nothing has changed for the better here in the UK from an employers' perspective (except for NI exemption if you want to hire an Indian immigrant.)

• NI costs have gone up significantly - not just rates but also increasing the numbers for whom it's payable
• Workers' rights increase employers' risks and costs
• Can no longer hire people on zero hours; inflation
• Interest rates and energy costs remain high
• Lack of economic stability with possibility of forthcoming tax hikes and even change to fiscal policies with a new chancellor
• Possibly it's even more difficult for employers to hire necessary staff, since net migration has come down.

It's important to talk the economy up, not down - a mistake Starmer made in his first few months. But I'd be interested to know where they pulled these super optimistic CFOs from, and their voting tendencies.

Then go and try and find out and report back.

 

[hampshireblue]

Don't tell chippy, his little head will explode.

Well he is in a chipper mood this morning as this shows that he wrote:

"Moreover a new artificial super intelligence could conceivably kill every human much, much sooner."

Nothing like talking things up a bit!!

 

[stonerblue]

Well he is in a chipper mood this morning as this shows that he wrote:

"Moreover a new artificial super intelligence could conceivably kill every human much, much sooner."

Nothing like talking things up a bit!!

Always cheers me up..

 

[bluethrunthru]

somebody ought to tell Tory K and Beth Rigby this.

 

[Damocles]

somebody ought to tell Tory K and Beth Rigby this.

Despite the quarterly improvement in economic confidence, half of people (51%) feel that the economy is still worsening – although this is down from 58% in the previous quarter.

Those saying that the economy is getting worse cite the cost of their groceries (79%), utilities (74%), and the general state of public services where they live (42%).

And the conflation of "thinking of planning a summer holiday" and "feeling financially secure" is very odd.

And obviously by odd I mean completely agenda driven bullshit nonsense.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I’m pro immigration, no borders

What about the indigenous population?

 

[Damocles]

Happy to report my little brother started his gap placement thing in a Labour MPs office today. They've got him writing replies to constituents who email in. Excited for him, he gets to see how it all fits together.

 

[BobKowalski]

What about the indigenous population?

They will be free to travel, work and live where they wish free of Government restrictions and control. It’s called Freedom of Movement for a reason.

It currently operates within 33 European countries, otherwise known as the Schengen Zone. You can read about it here.

Schengen: a guide to the European border-free zone | Topics | European Parliament

The EU's passport-free travel space, known as the Schengen area, is one of the most tangible achievements of European integration. Learn about it in our guide.

www.europarl.europa.eu

 

[Chippy_boy]

Despite the quarterly improvement in economic confidence, half of people (51%) feel that the economy is still worsening – although this is down from 58% in the previous quarter.

Those saying that the economy is getting worse cite the cost of their groceries (79%), utilities (74%), and the general state of public services where they live (42%).

And the conflation of "thinking of planning a summer holiday" and "feeling financially secure" is very odd.

And obviously by odd I mean completely agenda driven bullshit nonsense.

Agreed. What on earth is the point of these random posts quoting random, unscientifically based snippets of good vs bad news. It's just spamming the thread with nonsense.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Well he is in a chipper mood this morning as this shows that he wrote:

"Moreover a new artificial super intelligence could conceivably kill every human much, much sooner."

Nothing like talking things up a bit!!

Not for this thread I know, but it's the most serious threat faced my mankind ever, and hardly anyone talks about it. Very conceivably every single human being could be dead in 20 or 30 years, wiped out. I mean how serious does a threat have to be? Nuclear armaggedon is piffling compared to this. Climate change, irrelevant fluff.

“There is a 10-20 percent probability that within the next thirty years, Artificial Intelligence will cause the extinction of humanity.” - Geoffrey Hinton

“Superintelligent AI ... could lead to ‘the disempowerment of humanity or even human extinction,’ since engineers are unable to prevent AI from ‘going rogue.’” - Ilya Sutskever

“It is entirely possible that artificial intelligence (AI) could lead to the extinction of Homo sapiens." - Nick Bostrom (Philosopher, University of Oxford)

“The real problem with AI is not malice, it's incompetence. ... Humanity's strategy is to learn from mistakes. When the end of the world is at stake, that is a terrible strategy.” - Max Tegmark (MIT)

“I have a sense that our current remaining timeline looks more like five years than 50 years. Could be two years, could be 10. The difficulty is, people do not realise, we have a shred of a chance that humanity survives.” - Eliezer Yudkowsky

 

[BlueHammer85]

Not for this thread I know, but it's the most serious threat faced my mankind ever, and hardly anyone talks about it.

the dangers of AI has constantly been talked about for years, all the time social media channels and YouTube etc telling us the world is nigh.

the main media constantly talk about AI pretty much daily. this is all in the last few days.

As if graduating weren’t daunting enough, now students like me face a jobs market devastated by AI | Connor Myers

With big accountancy and finance firms turning to tech rather than graduates, even those with ‘useful’ degrees find their prospects diminished, says student Connor Myers

www.theguardian.com

I'm worried AI is going to make my job obsolete - should I retrain?

A worker is contemplating their job security and worried about the future of his industry - he gets advice from a consultant and business mentor

inews.co.uk

Hitachi Energy says AI power spikes threaten to destabilise global supply

Head of the world’s biggest transformer maker calls for rules to alert utilities to the wild fluctuations in data centre demand

www.ft.com

Whose job is safe from AI?

Technology can make a boring job even more boring and an interesting job even more interesting

www.ft.com

Minister tells UK's Turing AI institute to focus on defence

Peter Kyle says the Alan Turing Institute should prioritise boosting the UK's AI capabilities.

www.bbc.co.uk

Microsoft to cut up to 9,000 jobs as it invests in AI

The US tech giant will axe 4% of its global workforce and plough money into artificial intelligence.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Chippy_boy]

the dangers of AI has constantly been talked about for years, all the time social media channels and YouTube etc telling us the world is nigh.

the main media constantly talk about AI pretty much daily. this is all in the last few days.

As if graduating weren’t daunting enough, now students like me face a jobs market devastated by AI | Connor Myers

With big accountancy and finance firms turning to tech rather than graduates, even those with ‘useful’ degrees find their prospects diminished, says student Connor Myers

www.theguardian.com

I'm worried AI is going to make my job obsolete - should I retrain?

A worker is contemplating their job security and worried about the future of his industry - he gets advice from a consultant and business mentor

inews.co.uk

Hitachi Energy says AI power spikes threaten to destabilise global supply

Head of the world’s biggest transformer maker calls for rules to alert utilities to the wild fluctuations in data centre demand

www.ft.com

Whose job is safe from AI?

Technology can make a boring job even more boring and an interesting job even more interesting

www.ft.com

Minister tells UK's Turing AI institute to focus on defence

Peter Kyle says the Alan Turing Institute should prioritise boosting the UK's AI capabilities.

www.bbc.co.uk

Microsoft to cut up to 9,000 jobs as it invests in AI

The US tech giant will axe 4% of its global workforce and plough money into artificial intelligence.

www.bbc.co.uk

No, I mean the existential threat. The main media very largely don't mention it at all. And yet threat of climate change - not an existential threat - was rammed down our throats daily for 20+ years. And continues to be rammed down our throats.

Inconsistent and puzzling. The BBC in particular took it upon themselves to campaign about the risks of climate change and yet they have barely mentioned the risk of super-intelligent AI.

 

[BlueHammer85]

And yet threat of climate change - not an existential threat.

Really ? Rise is global temp is already having huge implications around the world, if it's not tackled then it is a existential threat.

 

[Damocles]

Not for this thread I know, but it's the most serious threat faced my mankind ever, and hardly anyone talks about it. Very conceivably every single human being could be dead in 20 or 30 years, wiped out. I mean how serious does a threat have to be? Nuclear armaggedon is piffling compared to this. Climate change, irrelevant fluff.

“There is a 10-20 percent probability that within the next thirty years, Artificial Intelligence will cause the extinction of humanity.” - Geoffrey Hinton

“Superintelligent AI ... could lead to ‘the disempowerment of humanity or even human extinction,’ since engineers are unable to prevent AI from ‘going rogue.’” - Ilya Sutskever

“It is entirely possible that artificial intelligence (AI) could lead to the extinction of Homo sapiens." - Nick Bostrom (Philosopher, University of Oxford)

“The real problem with AI is not malice, it's incompetence. ... Humanity's strategy is to learn from mistakes. When the end of the world is at stake, that is a terrible strategy.” - Max Tegmark (MIT)

“I have a sense that our current remaining timeline looks more like five years than 50 years. Could be two years, could be 10. The difficulty is, people do not realise, we have a shred of a chance that humanity survives.” - Eliezer Yudkowsky

I've been banging this drum for years and years, well before ChatGPT and the rest became popular. It will kill us all. The people who don't think this either don't understand the problem or are fantasists who think it will all just work out because I'd quite like it to.

Will AI wipe out humanity?

13th November 2026. Friday afternoon. Fucking day before my birthday, can they not end it on Sunday instead?

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

 

[Chippy_boy]

Really ? Rise is global temp is already having huge implications around the world, if it's not tackled then it is a existential threat.

No it isn't. There's no credible evidence that <climate change> could possibly lead to human extinction. Worse case, it could cause the deaths of billions of people - not exactly trivial (although extremely unlikely) - but there is zero chance it could wipe out all humanity. AI could.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I've been banging this drum for years and years, well before ChatGPT and the rest became popular. It will kill us all. The people who don't think this either don't understand the problem or are fantasists who think it will all just work out because I'd quite like it to.

Will AI wipe out humanity?

Let’s hope so

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

Ditto mate. I've been thinking about the impact of AI for 40 years and of the possibility of human extinction for perhaps the last 5. And BTW, thanks for the link. How on earth did I miss that thread? I would have loved to contribute to it.

"bad stuff will happen in ways we haven’t imagined using skills we didn’t know were possible for reasons we couldn’t even recognize as reasons.” - Eliezer Yudkowsky

I assume you'd read AI 2027? https://ai-2027.com/

 

[BlueHammer85]

Ditto mate. I've been thinking about the impact of AI for 40 years and of the possibility of human extinction for perhaps the last 5. And BTW, thanks for the link. How on earth did I miss that thread? I would have loved to contribute to it.

"bad stuff will happen in ways we haven’t imagined using skills we didn’t know were possible for reasons we couldn’t even recognize as reasons.” - Eliezer Yudkowsky

I assume you'd read AI 2027? https://ai-2027.com/

i'll add.. there's also threads on here about the dangers to humanity of AI. it's discussed everywhere.

 

[Chippy_boy]

i'll add.. there's also threads on here about the dangers to humanity of AI. it's discussed everywhere.

But not in mainstream media to anything like the threat of climate change. I know people on here like to argue for fun, but you must accept that surely? For the next 50 years the effects of climate change are gradual, inconvenient and sometimes quite bad with 50 people being killed in a flood or a fire here or there. But is in entirely irrelevant to the viability of human civilization in those timescales. And yet AI could kill us all in - worst case IMO 10 years, best case 20 or 30 years.

Even if it doesn't, 20% or 30% unemployment in the UK in say 10 years is MUCH more to worry about than whether we should have heat pump installed or not.

 

[BlueHammer85]

And yet AI could kill us all in - worst case IMO 10 years, best case 20 or 30 years.

Why conflate the two , you obviously have an agenda to massively underplay the dangers of climate change - brush it under the carpet and shout AI will kill us first.
the ‘odd fire here and there’ , really ? Increase of global temp and sea levels will have absolutely devastating impact on humanity , food production, famine, air, wild life, migration and much more within the next decades.

AI is also very much a threat to humanity and employment but let’s not pretend the concern isn’t being taken seriously by many in power globally, governmental departments will be looking into this daily as we speak. It is mentioned on the MSM a lot. Likewise, climate change.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Why conflate the two , you obviously have an agenda to massively underplay the dangers of climate change - brush it under the carpet and shout AI will kill us first.
the ‘odd fire here and there’ , really ? Increase of global temp and sea levels will have absolutely devastating impact on humanity , food production, famine, air, wild life, migration and much more within the next decades.

AI is also very much a threat to humanity and employment but let’s not pretend the concern isn’t being taken seriously by many in power globally, governmental departments will be looking into this daily as we speak. It is mentioned on the MSM a lot. Likewise, climate change.

Sigh.

"Yes I agree" would have been so much easier to type, wouldn't it.

But no, as usual you have to go through the tiresome deflection. Sad.