The Album Review Club - Week #191 (page 1286) - Harlequin Dream - Boy & Bear

More influential...hmmmmm...;)

JD...then yes, Dave Gahan said bands like them, early OMD, Human League, Bowie etc etc were an influence. Not sure NO can be mentioned in the same breath though...

Thought you might baulk at that but they were hugely important, essentially a rock band who completely altered the shape of dance music and club culture. The Chemical Brothers, Underworld, Daft Punk, Faithless, Orbital, Moby etc etc all cite them as critically important. House, techno, trance in this country owe loads to NO despite them not actually being an EDM act.

For me DM and NO the two greatest post 70s bands this country has produced. The likes of the The Smiths, Oasis, Stone Roses, Radiohead etc are a tier down.
 
I have always found it difficult to dislike someone more than Bonio, but Jim Kerr always seemed to run him a close second!

I never really took to Simple Minds, probably because they were a bit to poppy and too much post New Romantic. Looking back at what I was listening to when this was released, I was in to heavier darker stuff - The Cult (before they found Top of the Pops), Danse Society plus all the rock/metal stuff that was blossoming following the NWOBHM take off.

Up on the Catwalk was a tune I disliked at the time and am pleased to say I still do. For me it highlights Kerr and his pretentious look at me vocals. Speed Your Love to Me and Waterfront I can tolerate, but the rest was thin gruel. Turns out I do prefer lyrics in a different language with much more pleasant music!

Credit to @FogBlueInSanFran for nailing another pick out of a few recent ones, which highlight an album that have deep personal meaning. I saw your post about the Texas flood, and am sorry to hear how this has affected you and your friends.

A very wobbly 4 from me this week
Thanks mate. Been hard on the community. We literally just last week moved to a small house in the small town where Mark and his family live. Meeting neighbors(u)rs this am and everyone is heartbroken. Appreciate the kindness.
 
Thought you might baulk at that but they were hugely important, essentially a rock band who completely altered the shape of dance music and club culture. The Chemical Brothers, Underworld, Daft Punk, Faithless, Orbital, Moby etc etc all cite them as critically important. House, techno, trance in this country owe loads to NO despite them not actually being an EDM act.

For me DM and NO the two greatest post 70s bands this country has produced. The likes of the The Smiths, Oasis, Stone Roses, Radiohead etc are a tier down.
Not disagreeing with any of that but I think you'll find that all those bands say the same thing about Depeche Mode.

So we have two bands that shaped future music.

Slight edit because that's all been ruined by Chris Bloody Martin joining in.
 
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SIMPLE MINDS SPARKLE IN THE RAIN

Interesting pick this Foggy ,my mate was a big fan and he had this album so I’m familiar with it, we also went to see this tour at the Manchester Apollo in 1984, he loved it I didn’t.I always saw them as a U2 lite during this period.I thought most of the songs sounded the same live and I think I left early.However listening to the album now I get why you may like it,it’s like
what me and my wife call Liam Neeson films ‘watchable rubbish’.Putting aside Jim Kerr, the songs are ok and punchy, to my dismay I’ve started singing along to some of them in the car.
The one thing I can’t forgive, the LR cover, they’ve butchered the song and try to make it another Jim Kerr anthem.Poor Lou must be turning in his grave, it’s one of the worst covers I’ve heard, ‘nobody does Lou Reed better than Lou Reed’.

‘Book of Brilliant Things’ had a Big Country vibe to it, ‘Waterfront ‘ was probably my favourite track .



7/10 minus 1 for the horrible cover so 6/10
It’s definitely not in the same league as ‘The Mats’
 
I think, or hoped that I approached this week's offering with an open mind despite the rather flimsy prejudice I had based on my brother having been a fan of them and a vague notion that Jim Kerr is a bit of a nobhead...

Turns out the door of my mind (or whatever) was only slightly ajar, blowing in the breeze and likely to slam shut at any moment as a succession of reviewers confirmed my bias,( or their own) in that my notion that Jim Kerr was a bit of a nobhead wasn't something I'd dreamt up just to add a bit of weight to my other really childish bias. He apparently is/ was.

Still, to be fair, being a bit of a nobhead is forgivable. Who didn't love Mario (Balotelli not Kart) and who of our heroes, sporting and otherwise would we really like to go for a pint with? I digress a little but the latest Van Morrison album is a stunning return to form and almost puts to bed the stupid Covid conspiracy rubbish he came out with over the last few years. If only @LGWIO wouldn't keep confirming what we already know that Van is a miserable bugger, it would make it much easier to focus on the almost spiritual music on Remembering Now.

I'm not trying to avoid getting into the Simple Minds here but before I get into the music, I'll repeat myself from earlier comments by saying that the most unforgivable thing that Jim Kerr and the Simple Minds have possibly done is the awful, no really awful cover of Street Hassle on this album. That's a big gust of wind that has slammed the door in someone's face.

As for the rest of this album. I've read all the comments about it being over produced, a bit bombastic, etc and I can see that but I don't really get it. To me it is underwhelming, it doesn't achieve what I think it might want to. Plus points, well Waterfront is a decent track and as a bonus the bass line had me searching for this from some long remembered compilation album... (although I'm not sure there is that much similarity having listened top it again)



I can't get any more random musical references in. Other alright tracks were Up on the Catwalk (I quite like songs that randomly name drop although Lloyd Cole does it much better, as does Van come to think of it) and "C" Moon Cry Like a Baby. But only alright in the way watching Bournemouth v Brentford is alright if it's raining outside and that is the match on offer.

The rest of it is a pretty mundane affair. I did, as I said I would, listen to one of their earlier albums for comparison but I can't now remember which one, which is a shame because I was hoping to listen to another one just to be sure but didn't want to make the mistake of listening to the same one twice. The album we are supposed to be listening two has had four good listens and that is as good as it's going to get. My scoring system says 6 should be the going rate for anything that is "honest" but not to my liking. There's more than a suggestion that this is, while not entirely dishonest a cynical exercise. A bit harsh maybe? Anyway, I can't give it 6, I'm being generous not docking it further for it's mauling of Street Hassle but it is a 5.

And for those of you who don't know it, Lou Reed's finest post Velvets moment, all 11 glorious minutes including the spoken word bit Jim presumably couldn't be arsed with

 
I forgot to rate it when I left a half-arsed comment last week so 5/10. Good first side but then seriously tails off. If you weren't aware of their 3 previous albums then you might think it's ok. Shows how short of songs they were if they had to include Street Hassle.

Funny story: my pal met a post-SM Mick McNeil in a bar in Barra in the 90s. Didn't know who he was and said he was well impressed with his accordian playing in the pub band and had he ever thought about going pro!
 
I forgot to rate it when I left a half-arsed comment last week so 5/10. Good first side but then seriously tails off. If you weren't aware of their 3 previous albums then you might think it's ok. Shows how short of songs they were if they had to include Street Hassle.

Funny story: my pal met a post-SM Mick McNeil in a bar in Barra in the 90s. Didn't know who he was and said he was well impressed with his accordian playing in the pub band and had he ever thought about going pro!
Previous 5 albums. This was their 6th.
 
Sparkle in the Rain - Simple Minds

If I get some parallels with Foggy, you know I'm going to take advantage of it.
I discovered this — as I did so much music I love — from my freshman year in college roommate Mack, who had an orange mohawk. He was later involved in the mid/late-80s Washington DC punk scene, and quickly tired of this, one of his many hundreds of records, and I bought the vinyl off him because for whatever reason it just stuck in my head. Unlike in the UK, where it went #1, “Sparkle In The Rain” was never really popular here, so like OMD, Peter Gabriel and (especially) New Order, I felt like I got on the bandwagon a bit earlier than my Yankee peers.
After listening to side 1 after a few times, I remembered where and when I first heard this album. It was just two years later and five hours down the road in college. ;-)

My freshman roommate was supposed to be this guy Mack too, but he became a Resident Advisor (RA), and my eventual roommate would play this album (and others I grew to like more) pretty much non-stop. I didn't own this one, and too wasn't the biggest fan of Simple Minds due to The Breakfast Club overplay going on already at that later time. But as soon as I recognized "Book of Brilliant Things" and remembered it wasn't one of the two great songs here off of my Glittering Prize CD, I kept asking myself how I knew that song and most of side 1. It then hit me, going back to the fall of 1985. I can also state that I later didn't buy the CD off of my roommate either.

The songs I like best here are “Waterfront”, “The Kick Inside Of Me”, “Up On The Catwalk” and two more unusual ones — the cover of Lou Reed’s “Street Hassle” and the closing instrumental “Shake Off The Ghosts”.
My favourites of those are "Waterfront”, and “Up On The Catwalk” off my Glittering Prize CD, so they got the two best songs off of this album. Still, there's something about the flow of this album that I liked in its period of the band, right before they indeed "made it big" across the world. "East at Easter" in the beginning reminded me of Midge Ure vocally a bit too. The beginning of "Street Hassle" didn't do it for me, it just didn't sound true on the "sha la las", but the guitars later on were nice. "White Hot Day" sounded like the perfect mid-80s time period song that I didn't remember hearing prior, but was a nice tune. Roll back the years, indeed.

I also at various times heard similarities of U2 and Big Country (beginning of "Speed Your Love To Me") in various songs here, it wasn't hard to hear the Steve Lillywhite influences from those prior bands he produced as well. It was also interesting to read that Lillywhite was initially at the time hired by Rush to produce their album Grace Under Pressure, but he withdrew from that to produce this. I'd only note that the band afterwards referred to Lillywhite as a man not of his word for not following through on what had already been scheduled, so there's our Rush connection for this week for anyone still waiting for it. ;-)

I'd still choose other albums over this from 1984, but in hearing this (again, this time deliberately) this week, I do have an appreciation for the band's album and it's ability to deliver some "great junk" from that time period. For the tie-ins and unintended memories going back to that relative time period, and all of the other earlier albums of theirs I'm going to listen to that I have missed save the singles, this is a 6.5/10 experience of listening for me.

(I'd be remiss if I didn't mention I was very sorry to hear the sad news on @FogBlueInSanFran's friend in Texas. Praying for his family and all affected over this past weekend's rain there, and just down the road from me from TS Chantal.)
 
While we wait for any stragglers and the changeover, Foggy's nomination got me thinking of which pieces of dodgy 80s production I actually like and would put forward if I had the itch to nominate something along those lines. In my case it would probably be Flesh and Blood by Roxy Music which is a sort of early analog version of 80s ott production. In line with Foggy's own choice also has an appalling cover on it (arguably two).
 
While we wait for any stragglers and the changeover, Foggy's nomination got me thinking of which pieces of dodgy 80s production I actually like and would put forward if I had the itch to nominate something along those lines. In my case it would probably be Flesh and Blood by Roxy Music which is a sort of early analog version of 80s ott production. In line with Foggy's own choice also has an appalling cover on it (arguably two).
Too much dodgy 80s stuff. Flesh & Blood by Poison, admittedly 1990, and now you're talking :)
 
there were some pretty amazing albums in the 80s as well as dodgy stuff.
Kate Bush - The Hounds of Love 1985
Prince - Purple Rain 1984
The Smiths - The Queen is dead 1986
Sade - Diamond Life 1985
+ +
Of course there were. But in my case, most of the albums that I think were great in the 80s were not considered the best by most of the critics.
 
So many of us in our reviews linked albums with events or times in our lives. For me this brings back teenage discos and "fumbling" in corners at house parties.
Although not quite of the time of this album, it also brings images of Jim posing with the sleeves rolled up on his pastel coloured jacket. Something he no doubt picked up on from watching Miami Vice which started in the year that this came out.
Much as I recalled it at the time, this is enjoyable and a snapshot of the development of SM. You can clearly see the direction they were heading, they didn't want bangers, they wanted anthems. Up on The Catwalk & Waterfront show where they were going and give the appeal for many.
I agree that the original Lou Reed is far far superior and is perhaps a dip in the overall quality. Trying to boost street cred rather than doing something original.
Overall it was nice to revisit this and give it repeated listens. It was going to be a 6 from the Derry jury, but Mrs IO has a soft spot for SM/JK and so said I had to give it a "cheeky 7"
 
The trouble with a lot of 80's stuff stems from the very reason late 70's/ early 80's music was so good. The computer. What was once seen as a revolutionary breakthrough became more of a "oh look, we can do this, this and this". Coupled with production costs coming down as mixing desks/ instruments became more affordable it meant that you could thrown anything and everything into the mix.

It now didn't matter as much if you didn't have a hit as costs were down.

Want a full orchestra? Boom...there's a box that does that.

Innovation all but disappeared.

And whilst people like Trevor Horn saw the potential and produced albums such as The Lexicon Of Love others just saw a cheap and easy way to make music. Mostly ghastly.
 
And whilst people like Trevor Horn saw the potential and produced albums such as The Lexicon Of Love others just saw a cheap and easy way to make music. Mostly ghastly.
At the risk of this being an early clue.......

Oh dear! You may not like this week!
 
Too much dodgy 80s stuff. Flesh & Blood by Poison, admittedly 1990, and now you're talking :)

Never heard a Poison album so I've just listened to it as a informal mini nomination - my review: not as bad as I thought it was going to be :-)
 
Simple Minds - Sparkle In The Rain

Well, only really knowing the biggest hits and being a FYC (on here) I come to this with fresh ears and no preconception as I've somehow avoided SM all my life and never across the annoyance of Jim Kerr some seem to find although i thought he come across well nowadays in that documentary.
Anyhow, without comparing it to their earlier stuff i found this really good - I like the overall dense synth rock sound throughout the record, there's a raw tempo drive through most of it all and everything clicked for me after a few listens. I found it a mix of U2/INXS/Echo & The Bunnymen and vocally Byrne, despite some saying the songwriting is weak i don't think that's the case with 'East At Easter' , 'Waterfront' & 'Up On The Catwalk'.
'Street Hassle' was a negative, not because it didn't sound good - just felt it's a Reed classic that didn't need touching, side 2 fades off a bit and it also lacked a couple of real stand out singles aka a 'Alive & Kicking' .
Still, very much enjoyed and will enjoy exploring their back catalogue in the near future. Good pick!

8/10
 

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