The Labour Government

Those GDP numbers are dissapointing as analysts expected growth, and this has come after the UK US trade deal. There is clearly more to it, things like Millebands drive for zero emissions has been very damaging to the UK car industry.

Interest rates staying needlessly high is also hindering business investment, Reeves really should get shot of Bailey, he is utterly hopeless in his forecasts and has never really understood part of his remit as stimulating the UK economy. High interest rates have also stalled the housing market, house sales are actually declining despite the April jump made by those wanting to avoid the stamp duty rises.
 
bluenova said:
Spending on pensioners is by far the largest area of welfare spending, and the average pensioner is now better off than the average worker, so seems like the most obvious target.
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If the average pensioner is better off than the average worker then they must have a private pension that they are paying income tax on that. So if they won't increase income tax and pensioners are paying income tax how they gonna take money off them?
Stop the triple lock? This would affect every pensioner, surely Starner wouldn't do the same as the WFA or the disability fuck up ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Is he ?
Comes across alright to me.
Not a lying grifting racist like the bloke you will vote for - in fact the opposite, a man that’s been fighting for human rights and worked in criminal defence shaping the justice system for better - and that’s even before the achievements he has done as PM. A proper statesmen and PM at long last. No wonder those on far right resent him.
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Haha, you're gonna need a bigger boat, more bait than Grimsby.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Those GDP numbers are dissapointing as analysts expected growth, and this has come after the UK US trade deal. There is clearly more to it, things like Millebands drive for zero emissions has been very damaging to the UK car industry.

Interest rates staying needlessly high is also hindering business investment, Reeves really should get shot of Bailey, he is utterly hopeless in his forecasts and has never really understood part of his remit as stimulating the UK economy. High interest rates have also stalled the housing market, house sales are actually declining despite the April jump made by those wanting to avoid the stamp duty rises.
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People have to understand that Milliband's dishonest net zero plans are very damaging to the UK economy generally.

The fact is, at current energy costs it is not attractive for energy companies to invest in renewables, so Milliband is paying billions in subsidies and entering into contracts with them, for energy at above market energy rates. He is deliberately pushing up energy costs and lying that he's taking measures to bring them down.

His actual motivation is that he thinks in the long run - like in maybe 20 years or so - we'll be better off. But in the short term, due to the subsidies and expensive contracts, we won't be. He knows this and also that the public and businesses who have short term pressures, wouldn't support it, so he just lies.

And he's about to spend billions more on grid infrastructure to support his renewables expansion, pushing up government borrowing or taxes even more, for zero benefit on people's bills.

The best thing for the UK economy would be that Milliband loses his job in the next cabinet shuffle.
 
bluenova said:
They weren't bundled together. 42% of welfare spending was just the state pension. All those other benefits are ones which give extra money to the pensioners in most need.

As I said, the average pensioner is now apparently better off than the average worker, and that's been the case for a few years (this is from 2017 https://fullfact.org/economy/are-pensioners-better-people-working-age/).

I'm not suggesting clobbering pensioners, but if you want to cut somewhere, then the triple lock is probably the fairest - and I'd use part of the savings, to boost the incomes of poorer pensioners.
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So you want in essence to take money off poor pensioners then give it back to them? The ones with other pension provisions will obviously not get anything back and will be a bit worse off as they didn't get what they should have with the triple lock increase. And our state pension is still well behind that of many European countries.

If only in times of need there was some kind of tax on income that we could increase for those doing okay including well off pensioners.

We could call it say income tax or something like that:-)
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Rwanda scheme was already in place, it was never a deterrent, boat crossings were still increasing.
It was a last ditch failed gimmick to appease the Farage lovers costing us 100’s of millions.
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It was blocked at every stage and then stopped by your lot before it was given a chance.

Your logic is like saying City are 1-0 down after 5 minutes so may as well go home because we've lost the game.

Perhaps you might like to read up about how much of a problem Australia had with illegal migrants, how much they don't have now, and what they did that fixed it.
 
Chippy_boy said:
It was blocked at every stage and then stopped by your lot before it was given a chance.

Your logic is like saying City are 1-0 down after 5 minutes so may as well go home because we've lost the game.

Perhaps you might like to read up about how much of a problem Australia had with illegal migrants, how much they don't have now, and what they did that fixed it.
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It was doomed from the start, the whole concept was never ever going to work.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Close call. Both decent people that want to do the best for their country. Over a pint I’ll go with the big G, Southgate.
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Have an excuse to leave early ready mate, say for about 8pm.

Presume you would meet at about 7.30pm. Gareth will the one with the diet coke, beard and waistcoat drinking alone in the corner with 5 4 1 magazine under his arm:-)
 
BlueHammer85 said:
0.1% not quite bankruptcy just yet.
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Where are we for the 10mths of GDP data available since Labour came to power, I was trying to look for the figures earlier, but couldn't find them? I think we are positive but not by much?

The new Government initially stated that their target was 2.5% gdp growth per annum. I noted that that figure is no longer on the Labour website?
 
FWIW, I do think the Starmer - Macron plan will significantly reduce illegal boat crossings. I said so earlier. To that extent it's a worthwhile thing to do.

But it does come with baggage. Like us having in return to accept more genuine asylum seekers. And potentially other stuff we're not being told yet, like costs, for example.

People need to understand that unlike the UK, France ONLY does what is in France's best interests and fuck everyone else. That's just the way it is. So why have they agreed to have these boat people back? What's in it for France?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s only ludicrous because we’re being bombarded by social media and the right wing that he is some how the worst thing that’s ever happened. That’s what’s actually ludicrous. He’s doing well under extremely hard circumstances.
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You've heard the rent boys rumour as well? Don't believe everything you read, shocking gossip that.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Where are we for the 10mths of GDP data available since Labour came to power, I was trying to look for the figures earlier, but couldn't find them? I think we are positive but not by much?

The new Government initially stated that their target was 2.5% gdp growth per annum. I noted that that figure is no longer on the Labour website?
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From Perplexity AI:

Since Labour formed a government on 5 July 2024, the UK’s monthly GDP growth figures have shown a mix of stagnation and contraction, according to the latest available data:

July 2024: 0.0% (flat growth; Labour took office on 5 July)

August 2024: Data not explicitly stated in the search results, but context suggests continued sluggish or flat growth.

September 2024: Data not provided in the search results.

October 2024: Data not provided in the search results.

November 2024: Data not provided in the search results.

December 2024: +0.4%

January 2025: -0.1%

February 2025: Modest uptick (exact figure not specified, but described as an "uptick")

March 2025: +0.2%

April 2025: -0.3%

May 2025: -0.1%

Key points:

The economy rebounded in the first half of 2024 before Labour took office, but growth has been sluggish since.

The months immediately after Labour’s election saw flat or minimal growth, with contractions in early 2025.

The most recent data show contractions in April and May 2025 (-0.3% and -0.1% respectively), following a brief period of growth in March.

If you need monthly figures prior to December 2024 or more granular data for each month, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) provides detailed monthly GDP estimates. The available evidence indicates that since Labour took office, UK growth has been flat to negative in most months, with a brief positive spell in March 2025.
 
bluethrunthru said:
The last 4 PM's were isolationists who assumed that we were so important the world would come to us (and beg) instead we got sidelined on the European and world stage - proof being that Macrons visit is the first made by an EU leader since Brexit - we voted ourselves onto the sidelines then moaned it had happened without admitting we had become irrelevant - and we know the cost of that £££££
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They weren't isolationists at all that's just a remainer lie, they were useless mind.

I expected better from you making up stuff to promote your political view:-)
 
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